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Eliza970
on 7/19/19 12:35 pm
Topic: RE: DS Opinion

No question that this is a major change to your digestion and it will affect the rest of your life. Your concerns:

malabsorption. If you have the DS you are going to malabsorb many nutrients, such as protein, fa****er, vitamins, minerals etc. You will perfectly absorb sugar. Malabsorption is one of the key reasons DS works. Its your responsibility to eat a diet high in protein, relatively low in carbs, and healthy in other nutrients to counteract some of the malabsorption. Some people have encountered bad surgeons and have had greater problems with getting enough nutrition than most, but it does happen.

vitamin deficiency. You are committing yourself to a lifetime of blood tests, at least annually and more often for some people. You will have probably have deficiencies that can be corrected by changing your doses in most cases. You are responsible for studying what vitamins and minerals you will need, because most nutritionists aren't very good when it comes to this surgery. The blood tests will pick up what you need to change. Most people have to tweak their doses over time. Those that stop doing blood tests and taking daily vitamins get into trouble.

other worrisome effects. For the first year or so I felt like my gut was ruling my life. If I made bad food choices, I paid for it in putrid gas, stinking poop and urgent diarrhea and multiple daily poops. I tested the limits sometimes and paid for it. Now, I know the limits, my gut is more accepting of food adventures and those problems are much less frequent. Something that I didn't appreciate starting out was that the cost of groceries would be higher because carbs are cheaper than protein, multiple daily vitamins are a new monthly expense for our budget, and health insurance copays and deductibles can add up for 20+ blood tests and doctors visits and infusions. The good news was that I was hired for a much better job with better benefits because I wasn't morbidly obese!

Don't take this surgery lightly. It's a lifetime decision. I had worsening diabetes and arthritis and that was the tipping point for doing it. Losing diabetes for me was worth every little post-op aggravation.

Valerie G.
on 7/19/19 8:33 am - Northwest Mountains, GA
Topic: RE: Question for you regarding DS

Do not fall for a two procedure suggestion unless there is a true medical danger for you. A top surgeon has successfully done a one-procedure DS on a 500 lb patient laparoscopically - so no excuses. Two surgeries means twice the copay, twice the risk, twice the recovery and twice the downtime.

Deciding factor for me on the DS was the superior long-term statistics compared to all other procedures. Also ready the regrets and revision forums and take note of the procedures being complained about.

Valerie
DS 2005

There is room on this earth for all of God's creatures..
next to the mashed potatoes

Valerie G.
on 7/19/19 8:31 am - Northwest Mountains, GA
Topic: RE: "Dieting" after DS

Expect some regain of your weight lost to the tune of 15-20%. Lose as much as you can the first year to have some buffer for that.

I am 13.5 years out and hover around 15% regain effortlessly and I don't diet. Every year, I usually do a detox of sorts when I find myself actually craving carbs. With that, I cut back simple carbs for a few weeks, focusing on meat veggies and cheese.

Valerie
DS 2005

There is room on this earth for all of God's creatures..
next to the mashed potatoes

Valerie G.
on 7/19/19 8:28 am - Northwest Mountains, GA
Topic: RE: DS Opinion

The good news about the side effects is that they are controllable.

Stinky gas and loose stools - controlled by what you eat. Simple carbs, lactose (for some) and other random individual foods (onions for me) cause this. Avoid them and you don't have it. Take probiotics and the smell is about 80% reduced.

Vitamin deficiency - this is hard because we want to trust docs, however the docs really have no clue. They are notorious for giving bad advice - even nutritionists like to bundle us into one WLS file and our needs are very different. Find the Vitalady schedule and start there. I cannot think of anyone who went deficient following that regimen and you adjust dosages as labs dictate. Also learn how to read your labs and take control yourself.

Valerie
DS 2005

There is room on this earth for all of God's creatures..
next to the mashed potatoes

Eliza970
on 7/19/19 7:31 am
Topic: RE: Low Ferritin

It is true we have an impaired ability to absorb iron. After having infusions every year or so starting about 5 years into my DS life, I have not needed an infusion for 2 years now because I changed the type of iron I take, heme iron (Proferrin), take it with vitamin C on an empty stomach, and do not take it with copper, calcium, zinc, or milk products. My last ferritin test was normal. In my low-ferritin years, I was advised to get a colonoscopy to rule out colon cancer, and it was completely normal. My obese sister currently has stage 4 colon cancer. The doc said losing large amounts of weight is protective for colon cancer and he felt I was now at low risk, despite my family history. Visible blood in the stool or black tar-like poop are more obvious symptoms of colon cancer, more than diarrhea or constipation.

hollykim
on 7/19/19 4:55 am - Nashville, TN
Revision on 03/18/15
Topic: RE: DS Opinion
On July 18, 2019 at 6:59 PM Pacific Time, cvm0521 wrote:

Hello,

I'm presently on the list for a DS. Had the sleeve done in December 2018, but at a plateau, this is why doctors are suggesting DS. Worried about the side effects of the surgery (i.e. malabsorption, vitamin deficiency, and other worrisome effects. Has anyone experienced major bad side effects? Anyone have any opinions or thoughts. Thank you. Look I forward to hearing from people.

plateaus are normal. How much have you lost?

Is it really a plateau or any you eating st a maintenance level instead of a loss level? How many calories a day and what does a typical days menu look like for you?

 


          

 

hollykim
on 7/19/19 4:53 am - Nashville, TN
Revision on 03/18/15
Topic: RE: Low Ferritin
On July 18, 2019 at 11:23 PM Pacific Time, Fire_Ice wrote:

It is fairly common with our procedure to have a low ferritin number, correct? My hematologist just retested me (four/five months after my last infusion) and I'm down at a 3 again for ferritin. Now he thinks I need a colonoscopy because I must have a tumor or something that explains my inability to hold on to iron.

So I'm freaking out a little (just hung up the phone). I told him I have been seeing a colorectal doctor regularly because I have anal fissures (created by carrying extremely large babies) that flared up a few months after I had my DS. My colorectal doctor said my fissures are healed up (she checked them yesterday) and I'm doing well. She credits the earlier iron infusions with fixing the fissures.

But if this is just something that some DS patients have to deal with, I could use that reassurance now. I'm happy to go in and get my iron infusions. But now I'm slightly terrified that I might have colon cancer and would have no way to tell if I'm even having symptoms since the DS and the foods I eat have an effect on my bowel movements (the primary symptom, apparently).

it is not unusual for us to be unable to absorb enough iron for our ferritin to stay up. Ferritin levels indicate the amount of iron we have in "storage" for the body to draw from when it is needed.

Since we can't absorb a lot anymore, our bodies draw often from the storage which makes the ferritin go down.

You may have a tumor but I would bet that you don't. Just normal , for having a DS, issues with iron.

I have had three sets of iron infusions in the 9 years since my WLS.

 


          

 

Fire_Ice
on 7/18/19 4:23 pm
DS on 10/25/17
Topic: Low Ferritin

It is fairly common with our procedure to have a low ferritin number, correct? My hematologist just retested me (four/five months after my last infusion) and I'm down at a 3 again for ferritin. Now he thinks I need a colonoscopy because I must have a tumor or something that explains my inability to hold on to iron.

So I'm freaking out a little (just hung up the phone). I told him I have been seeing a colorectal doctor regularly because I have anal fissures (created by carrying extremely large babies) that flared up a few months after I had my DS. My colorectal doctor said my fissures are healed up (she checked them yesterday) and I'm doing well. She credits the earlier iron infusions with fixing the fissures.

But if this is just something that some DS patients have to deal with, I could use that reassurance now. I'm happy to go in and get my iron infusions. But now I'm slightly terrified that I might have colon cancer and would have no way to tell if I'm even having symptoms since the DS and the foods I eat have an effect on my bowel movements (the primary symptom, apparently).

cvm0521
on 7/18/19 11:59 am
VSG on 12/05/18
Topic: DS Opinion

Hello,

I'm presently on the list for a DS. Had the sleeve done in December 2018, but at a plateau, this is why doctors are suggesting DS. Worried about the side effects of the surgery (i.e. malabsorption, vitamin deficiency, and other worrisome effects. Has anyone experienced major bad side effects? Anyone have any opinions or thoughts. Thank you. Look I forward to hearing from people.

(deactivated member)
on 7/16/19 5:47 pm
Topic: RE: "Dieting" after DS

I think everyone's experience is specific to them based on your biome, gender, exercise etc.

I eat anything I want anytime I want. About 300 to 400 grams of carbs a day and lots of treats. I'm skinny as a rail but I do exercise now which I hadn't done for many years presurgery. I also make sure my vitamins and nutrition meet minimum standards or better everyday.

If I had to diet or couldn't eat normally, I would not have had the wls.

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