Resistant Starch?

 While doing some research on eating I came across this and I was wondering what you food experts though about this information?  All I have heard so far is stay away from carbs, keep your carbs under 40-50 a day, carbs make you more hungry, carbs make you fat, etc.  Apparently some carbs are actually good for you though and make you BURN FAT!  Foods like bananas, oatmeal, beans, lentils, potatoes!, plantains, garbanzo beans, pearl barley, whole wheat pasta and brown rice.  

Here are just two articles I found about resistant starch:

http://www.health.com/health/gallery/0,,20359383,00.html 


https://www.thayesfitness.com/Carbs_That_Burn_Fat_.php 

So ... are carbs good to eat for us VSGers or not?   

I can only share my experience. My body is carb sensitive. It doesn't matter if it's a "good carb or a bad carb". My body is not going to lose eating them. Most fruits are loaded with sugar, "good sugar" it doesn't matter, it's sugar and those foods do not stay with me long. I can't eat brown rice without massive pain and gas. Whole wheat pasta sucks. I just follow the rule of protein first then greens and few bites of starches in maintenance. 1/8 of cup of mashed potatoes didn't make me fat, and I don't get the "eat a carb, crave a carb" that some people have to deal with.

I do eat beans, all sorts of beans, and I eat whole grain cream of wheat on rare occasion when I want something warm/soothing. Of course, during my weight loss phase every food listed there was not on my program and didn't cross my lips.

During the losing stage, I honestly had zero room for carbs unless I wanted to fall short on my protein goal. And, I wasn't going to drink a protein shake to justify eating carbs just to have better protein intake for the day. I couldn't do shakes anyways, but I stuck to my 4 meals a day, with each meal consisting of a minimum of 15gr of protein. I ate green beans, some broccoli and a little bit of lettuce through my losing phase, but I never ate more than 40gr of carbs per day for 6.5 months.

It's just what worked for me. Others can eat more liberally and lose just fine. I couldn't so I didn't. I eat carbs in maintenance, and do not restrict any food types.

You will get a zillion answers about carbs - but as for me, here is my rule of thumb for asking myself about foods in general.

Will it help me meet or exceed my protein requirement.

Will it help keep me full for very long or will it escort the dense protein down my gullet faster, and I end up being hungry sooner.

Is it the most optimum nutrition that I can get for that many calories.

Will it cause a situation where I am more hungry throughout the rest of the day. 

Because here is the deal, for me.

If it keeps me from being full as long as I can be, that is not actually HELPFUL, especially not when I was first out from surgery.

If it will create a situation where I am hungry the rest of the day after consuming it (oatmeal, rice, potatos) then its not worth the hassle. 

Course the optimum nutrition for calories and the meeting protein are what they are.

So - some stuff you need to decide, but first out when you are healing, fluids and protein are your best options for the healing process, which takes a few months (for total healing of a gastrectomy). 

GL!

"Bananas are the cheesecake of fruits!"

I stay away from almost all carbs because they make me want more carbs.  However, when I hit goal, I plan to add back a little bit of complex grains (whole wheat, brown rice, beans) but not much in the way of simple sugars (bananas, potatoes, white carbs, etc).  The simple sugars really make me crave more carbs and don't stick with me very long.

My 2 cents!

I am a carboholic so I stay away from carbs because they make me want more and I will get into that cycle. The only carbs I get these days are the "occasional" ones associated with my protein intake. My target is to stay under 30-40 carbs per day but I usually am under 20. This is working for me very well.

I asked my doc about counting carbs and he said they don't want us to do that or count calories.  They said to eat protien first because it will fill you up faster and make you feel fuller longer, basically eat in moderation.  Which I do most of the time, however, hubby and I are 6 weeks out and decided to try a hamburger.  We got one on sourdough bread and split it.  I eat probably 2/3 of my "half" and took the bread off and just finished the meat and cheese.  That meal filled me up better than any other thing I have eaten so far and it kept me fuller longer.  The few times I have eaten bread (whole wheat or the sourdoug) I have noticed this same thing.  I really think it depends on your body.  You will just have to try and see how it goes!  

:)  Good luck!

 Yes, I have heard that a lot from different people, that carbs make you more hungry.  But, these two articles suggests otherwise.

It says that certain carbs do not make you more hungry but make you feel more full because it "resists" digestion and stays in your GI longer, which is why its called Resistant Starch.  It claims to shut down hunger hormones and increases your calorie burn due to fermenting in the large intestine and releasing butyrate.  

I was finding myself thinking "carbs make me more hungry" just because I've heard that said so much on these forums but if the information in these articles are true then that might not be the case at all.  I was guilty of just going along with what everyone else was saying in this regard but after reading these reports I wonder if its even true at all.  

I guess I was trying to debunk the information to see if it was false.  I'm not looking for an excuse to eat a large fry or the bread on a hamburger (this certainly isn't resistant starch) ... but maybe its not so bad to have a few spoons of brown rice and beans for dinner with some chicken?

 Nope, it's not BAD as long as you make sure you meet your protein goal first, keep it in your plan and watch yourself for what I call a "carb response" (for me that response is - seeking out other carb related foods, "craving" other carb based foods, justifying other food choices b/c I had "success" with those carbs).

Carbs will make you more hungry if you do not eat them in their proper place b/c they can help push food out of your stomach faster hence the reason we call them sliders, we have a rapid gastric emptying thing going on b/c of the size of our stomach so what works for a normie (like the ones these articles are based on) might not work for us, the second thing is that what works for a normies metabolism (ie burning fat, tricking the body with hormones ect.) isn't going to necessarily work in YOUR body the way it's supposed to, if it did you probably would not have needed surgery. 

Sometimes you just have to look at it and accept that articles like this are written for a group of people that we don't fall into, and while it sounds great, if it actually worked the way they claimed it does for everyone then no one would be fat and we would all run around eating bananas instead of Big Macs. 

Another thing you REALLY have to realize is - just because X says its true, does not mean its true FOR YOU.

Quest bars are mostly fiber.  THEORETICALLY they are not supposed to trigger hunger, drop blood sugar, et cetera. They MOST ABSOLUTELY DO create a situation IN ME that makes me hungry/bingey/cravey the rest of the day.

VSG information *says* that we do not have vitamin deficiencies and do not need to take more vitamins than someone uncut does. THIS IS NOT TRUE FOR EVERYONE.

VSG information says that we do not have issues with protein because our stomach is the same, but smaller. THIS IS NOT TRUE FOR EVERYONE.

What I am trying to express is, making an assumption that because X article says its not true = NOT TRUE FOR YOU. Which, well, may not be true!

Some things you MUST find out for yourself.  Eleventy seven peer reviews/articles in Joe's Medical Journal will not change the fact that for ME most of the things you mention are not OPTIMAL choices when the ULTIMATE question (for me) is

Will it KEEP ME FULL.

Is it the BEST nutrition for the calorie buck.

Will it help keep me from having hunger increase the rest of the day.

Its like your doctors says "you can eat 4 ounces of dense protein after 4 weeks"

That is a generalization, it does not mean that is going to work FOR YOU.  Maybe SOME can, maybe MOST can, but YOU might not fit in to the "some/most" profile.

**caps for emphAsis, not for fussing

 Very good points.  Thanks for the feedback.