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Topic: RE: Vertical Sleeve or Lap-Band regrets
I know your WLS and eating habits may be working for you, but I have a question. Why have major surgery and continue to eat basically the same way you did before the surgery? 2500 calories and a full fat diet, isn't that a prescription for wt gain in the future, because any WLS CAN be defeated. Aren't you willing to change bad habits for good health. If you eat lots of sugar/desserts/oils/high carbs...even if you are only absorbing only 20% now, that will change in the future as you retrain your new stomach to be just like the old one.
Al Roker and others found out that WLS is not a permission slip to eat anything...he gained over 50 lbs. back after several years of his WLS. Not developing good eating and exercise habits is a sure way to regain wt; that is why they have the new procedure for those who had WLS and regained wt...they lost wt because the calories were not INITIALLY absorbed, but after several years that new stomach/intestines WILL begin to absorb all that fat/sugar...that's the great thing about the Human Body, It WILL ADJUST whether the habits are good or bad!
Take Care
"2500 calories and a full fat diet" ISN'T a prescription for future weight gain with the DS. With the DS, I only absorb 20% of the fat I eat, around 60% of the protein and complex carbs, and nearly all of the simple carbs.
Why did I have major surgery to continue to eat basically the same way I did before? Well, I LIKE the way I ate before, and with the DS, that's now a healthy way to eat. (Protein first, then veggies and fruits, then grains.) And I knew from experience that I was no good at dieting, and I was tired of trying. Denying myself always led me to falling off the wagon and pigging out. Now I eat whatever I want, and I am ABLE to eat it in moderation and feel fully satisfied---and I don't go on binges any more, because I don't feel deprived. (*grin*)
The DS is designed to slightly limit intake, and greatly limit absorption. It's long-tern effects have little to do with the stomach, and no, I'm not 'training' my stomach to do or be anything. It's simply an organ that churns food, and lets it out to the intestines a little bit at a time.
Will my malabsorption go away? Nope. It WILL decrease a bit, but the big difference between the RNY snd the DS is the degree of malabsorption. The DS has so much that's it's virtually impossible for the body to over come it.
Yes, any form of WLS can be out-eaten---but it's a LOT harder with the DS. Basically, you have to be a big-time sweet eater, and I'm not. The DS pretty much pulled my sweet tooth. I enjoy sweets, but not like I used to, and they no longer 'call my name'. I can eat A cookie, ONE chocolate-covered cherry, etc.
It's clear that you don't understand how the DS works. You can learn more here:
http://www.obesityhelp.com/forums/DS/
As for your second paragraph---I'm not certain what form of WLS Al Roker had, but it wasn't the DS. (Fobi pouch, I *think*.) I'm not certain what you're talking about re the "new procedure"---do you mean the Stomaphyx? (sp?) That doesn't affect absorption at all, it just tightens up a stretched stoma.
If you mean a revision---well, there are a lot of different ways to do those, and a lot of the people who get revisions go from the LapBand or the RNY to the DS. Check out the Revisions board, and you'll see what I mean.
On December 24, 2008 at 10:12 AM Pacific Time, ValueMe wrote:
Hey There:I know your WLS and eating habits may be working for you, but I have a question. Why have major surgery and continue to eat basically the same way you did before the surgery? 2500 calories and a full fat diet, isn't that a prescription for wt gain in the future, because any WLS CAN be defeated. Aren't you willing to change bad habits for good health. If you eat lots of sugar/desserts/oils/high carbs...even if you are only absorbing only 20% now, that will change in the future as you retrain your new stomach to be just like the old one.
Al Roker and others found out that WLS is not a permission slip to eat anything...he gained over 50 lbs. back after several years of his WLS. Not developing good eating and exercise habits is a sure way to regain wt; that is why they have the new procedure for those who had WLS and regained wt...they lost wt because the calories were not INITIALLY absorbed, but after several years that new stomach/intestines WILL begin to absorb all that fat/sugar...that's the great thing about the Human Body, It WILL ADJUST whether the habits are good or bad!
Take Care
Why did I have major surgery to continue to eat basically the same way I did before? Well, I LIKE the way I ate before, and with the DS, that's now a healthy way to eat. (Protein first, then veggies and fruits, then grains.) And I knew from experience that I was no good at dieting, and I was tired of trying. Denying myself always led me to falling off the wagon and pigging out. Now I eat whatever I want, and I am ABLE to eat it in moderation and feel fully satisfied---and I don't go on binges any more, because I don't feel deprived. (*grin*)
The DS is designed to slightly limit intake, and greatly limit absorption. It's long-tern effects have little to do with the stomach, and no, I'm not 'training' my stomach to do or be anything. It's simply an organ that churns food, and lets it out to the intestines a little bit at a time.
Will my malabsorption go away? Nope. It WILL decrease a bit, but the big difference between the RNY snd the DS is the degree of malabsorption. The DS has so much that's it's virtually impossible for the body to over come it.
Yes, any form of WLS can be out-eaten---but it's a LOT harder with the DS. Basically, you have to be a big-time sweet eater, and I'm not. The DS pretty much pulled my sweet tooth. I enjoy sweets, but not like I used to, and they no longer 'call my name'. I can eat A cookie, ONE chocolate-covered cherry, etc.
It's clear that you don't understand how the DS works. You can learn more here:
http://www.obesityhelp.com/forums/DS/
As for your second paragraph---I'm not certain what form of WLS Al Roker had, but it wasn't the DS. (Fobi pouch, I *think*.) I'm not certain what you're talking about re the "new procedure"---do you mean the Stomaphyx? (sp?) That doesn't affect absorption at all, it just tightens up a stretched stoma.
If you mean a revision---well, there are a lot of different ways to do those, and a lot of the people who get revisions go from the LapBand or the RNY to the DS. Check out the Revisions board, and you'll see what I mean.
Topic: RE: New here..Fibro and RA
I don't think you understand why NSAIDs can be dangerous after the RNY. It's not something that mixing them with food will help, because it's not them coming into contact with the pouch that matters. NSAIDs have a systemic effect, and so even topical ointments like Aspercream can cause a problem. They cause a thinning of the mucosal lining of the stomach, both the new pouch and the 'old', remanant stomach, and this thinning can lead to ulcers. And since the old stomach is now a blind pouch, not accessible via endoscope, if ulcers are suspected there they have to be investiagted surgically.
The DS is NOT investigational, and hasn't been considered so for several years now. That doesn't mean some insurance companies won't try to pull that crap in an effort to not pay, but generally if they cover the RNY they can be forced to cover the DS as well, especially since Medicare has endorsed the DS as 'safe and effective'.
Calling somerthing the 'gold standard' doesn't mean it's the best, or most valuable. Our paper money is based on the gold standard, but platinum is still more valuable than gold. (*grin*)
The DS is NOT investigational, and hasn't been considered so for several years now. That doesn't mean some insurance companies won't try to pull that crap in an effort to not pay, but generally if they cover the RNY they can be forced to cover the DS as well, especially since Medicare has endorsed the DS as 'safe and effective'.
Calling somerthing the 'gold standard' doesn't mean it's the best, or most valuable. Our paper money is based on the gold standard, but platinum is still more valuable than gold. (*grin*)
Topic: RE: Vertical Sleeve or Lap-Band regrets
Hey There:
I know your WLS and eating habits may be working for you, but I have a question. Why have major surgery and continue to eat basically the same way you did before the surgery? 2500 calories and a full fat diet, isn't that a prescription for wt gain in the future, because any WLS CAN be defeated. Aren't you willing to change bad habits for good health. If you eat lots of sugar/desserts/oils/high carbs...even if you are only absorbing only 20% now, that will change in the future as you retrain your new stomach to be just like the old one.
Al Roker and others found out that WLS is not a permission slip to eat anything...he gained over 50 lbs. back after several years of his WLS. Not developing good eating and exercise habits is a sure way to regain wt; that is why they have the new procedure for those who had WLS and regained wt...they lost wt because the calories were not INITIALLY absorbed, but after several years that new stomach/intestines WILL begin to absorb all that fat/sugar...that's the great thing about the Human Body, It WILL ADJUST whether the habits are good or bad!
Take Care
I know your WLS and eating habits may be working for you, but I have a question. Why have major surgery and continue to eat basically the same way you did before the surgery? 2500 calories and a full fat diet, isn't that a prescription for wt gain in the future, because any WLS CAN be defeated. Aren't you willing to change bad habits for good health. If you eat lots of sugar/desserts/oils/high carbs...even if you are only absorbing only 20% now, that will change in the future as you retrain your new stomach to be just like the old one.
Al Roker and others found out that WLS is not a permission slip to eat anything...he gained over 50 lbs. back after several years of his WLS. Not developing good eating and exercise habits is a sure way to regain wt; that is why they have the new procedure for those who had WLS and regained wt...they lost wt because the calories were not INITIALLY absorbed, but after several years that new stomach/intestines WILL begin to absorb all that fat/sugar...that's the great thing about the Human Body, It WILL ADJUST whether the habits are good or bad!
Take Care
Topic: RE: Vertical Sleeve or Lap-Band regrets
Here is a web site that compares the WLS:
http://www.lapsf.com/weight-loss-surgeries.html
You really want to talk to your surgeon and do your own research. What works great for one person may not be good for you and your goals.
Take Care.
http://www.lapsf.com/weight-loss-surgeries.html
You really want to talk to your surgeon and do your own research. What works great for one person may not be good for you and your goals.
Take Care.
Topic: RE: New here..Fibro and RA
Hey:
I have applied for WLS and I also have osteoarthritis of the hip. I take Naproxen. I think some NSAIDS can be taken after WLS if mixed with foods...get more info from the surgeon. Also,the research I have done says that the DS is considered kind of experimental by ins companies and some won't approve it. They call the RNY the "gold standard" for WLS, even though I read what Dr. Curry said on an Obesity. com post...he said that if he were to get WLS, he would get the VSG. I guess it depends what your goals are, short and long term that determines what type of WLS you get.
Take Care
I have applied for WLS and I also have osteoarthritis of the hip. I take Naproxen. I think some NSAIDS can be taken after WLS if mixed with foods...get more info from the surgeon. Also,the research I have done says that the DS is considered kind of experimental by ins companies and some won't approve it. They call the RNY the "gold standard" for WLS, even though I read what Dr. Curry said on an Obesity. com post...he said that if he were to get WLS, he would get the VSG. I guess it depends what your goals are, short and long term that determines what type of WLS you get.
Take Care
Topic: RE: osteoarthritis in hip
Hey:
I suffer from osteoarthritis in my hip also. In fact I just got x-rays and consultation last week. My surgeon won't do the hip replacement surgery until I lose the weight. I thought I might be able to have the hip surgery first, but like he said all that will do is cause greater surgeries because the weight will cause the hip to pop out of place and wear it down. So I have applied for WLS.
I really believe that wt loss will ease the pain in your hip; when I lost 25 lbs. once I could feel the better difference in my back and hip. I know it will make a big difference. But I am still looking forward to the hip surgery after I lose the weight...hip surgery is a simple operation these days(they have laparascopis procedures also), but it is still major surgery just like WLS.
I have a question for you, are you still allowed to take your pain medication after your WLS? If so that is great, I take Naproxen and I want to take it after WLS, it will help me to be more mobile as I lose weight...walk and work out to lose wt faster after the WLS. The faster I lose wt, the faster I get healthy and can have hip replacement surgery.
Take Care
I suffer from osteoarthritis in my hip also. In fact I just got x-rays and consultation last week. My surgeon won't do the hip replacement surgery until I lose the weight. I thought I might be able to have the hip surgery first, but like he said all that will do is cause greater surgeries because the weight will cause the hip to pop out of place and wear it down. So I have applied for WLS.
I really believe that wt loss will ease the pain in your hip; when I lost 25 lbs. once I could feel the better difference in my back and hip. I know it will make a big difference. But I am still looking forward to the hip surgery after I lose the weight...hip surgery is a simple operation these days(they have laparascopis procedures also), but it is still major surgery just like WLS.
I have a question for you, are you still allowed to take your pain medication after your WLS? If so that is great, I take Naproxen and I want to take it after WLS, it will help me to be more mobile as I lose weight...walk and work out to lose wt faster after the WLS. The faster I lose wt, the faster I get healthy and can have hip replacement surgery.
Take Care
Topic: osteoarthritis in hip
Is there anyone on here who has/is suffered with osteoarthritis in the hip? I have heard the weightloss will help but has anyone on here actually had the arthritis pain to diminish or disappear or are you still dealing with the pain and daily meds? If you have found success with a decrease in the pain after the surgery, how long did it take? I just had my surgery on 12/19 and I know it probably too soon to tell.
Please share your experiences with me.
Thanx!
Topic: RE: Vertical Sleeve or Lap-Band regrets
I don't know what you treat your arthritis with, but one thing I LOVE about the DS is that I can still take all the NSAIDs I need.
Good luck!
Good luck!
Topic: RE: Vertical Sleeve or Lap-Band regrets
kenworthlady 
You have been a great help to me. I am going to go the 29th to a seminar and try to go from there. I am tired of being overweight and dieting and regaining it back.
I have degenerate rheumatoid arthritis and high blood pressure, so I am hoping to qualify for this surgery.
The DS sounds like a sure thing to me. Thanks for your reply.
I have degenerate rheumatoid arthritis and high blood pressure, so I am hoping to qualify for this surgery.
The DS sounds like a sure thing to me. Thanks for your reply.
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