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Topic: RE: Self Funded Employer
The plan admins are hired by the school you work for. Their job is to keep costs down, they work for your employer and not you. That's why it is so hard to get approved on these types of plans.
On December 30, 2010 at 6:22 PM Pacific Time, sandyv63 wrote:
There are six states that have to approve bariatric surgery if medically necessary. Unfortunately I don't live in one of them. Now that my insurance has changed to include preventive measures, I will try again. It seems hypocritical to claim to want to prevent common (expensive to treat) illnesses and then refuse to cover a surgery that will basically eliminate my pre diabetes and drastically reduce if not eliminate my chance of getting a host of other illnesses like heart disease and cancer. What I have going for me now is that we have partnered up with an outside medical company to administer and monitor our testing and provide 'coaching' to employees. I believe a weight loss program is covered and since I have proof of already doing a medically supervised weight loss program, I can prove I have already tried that. I am hopeful that since this company is separate from my employer, they will have a more far sighted and rational opinion of this and may support me. Or not. I have no idea until I try and I have already started the process by emailing the coach to see if she can direct me. When I first had to go for the initial blood work required by this new policy, I asked the nurses how I could get approved and they mentioned something about proving medical necessity. I can do that. However I know I can't rely on what they said as confirmation of coverage. Fingers crossed...The plan admins are hired by the school you work for. Their job is to keep costs down, they work for your employer and not you. That's why it is so hard to get approved on these types of plans.
Previously Midwesterngirl
The band got me to goal, the sleeve will keep me there.
See my blog for newbies: http://wasabubblebutt.blogspot.com/
The band got me to goal, the sleeve will keep me there.
See my blog for newbies: http://wasabubblebutt.blogspot.com/
Topic: RE: Self Funded Employer
There are six states that have to approve bariatric surgery if medically necessary. Unfortunately I don't live in one of them. Now that my insurance has changed to include preventive measures, I will try again. It seems hypocritical to claim to want to prevent common (expensive to treat) illnesses and then refuse to cover a surgery that will basically eliminate my pre diabetes and drastically reduce if not eliminate my chance of getting a host of other illnesses like heart disease and cancer. What I have going for me now is that we have partnered up with an outside medical company to administer and monitor our testing and provide 'coaching' to employees. I believe a weight loss program is covered and since I have proof of already doing a medically supervised weight loss program, I can prove I have already tried that. I am hopeful that since this company is separate from my employer, they will have a more far sighted and rational opinion of this and may support me. Or not. I have no idea until I try and I have already started the process by emailing the coach to see if she can direct me. When I first had to go for the initial blood work required by this new policy, I asked the nurses how I could get approved and they mentioned something about proving medical necessity. I can do that. However I know I can't rely on what they said as confirmation of coverage. Fingers crossed...
Topic: RE: Self Funded Employer
I don't believe there is a law in any state that says an employer has to provide WLS. Perhaps one, I forget which one it is, Georgia? Maybe? But not Florida.
The ins is offered, you can accept or self pay for another policy but even if you did self pay for another policy, private policies do not cover WLS.
Have you tried appealing? It couldn't hurt. But legally, nope. Nobody has to even provide you with ins let alone specific coverages.
On December 29, 2010 at 12:24 PM Pacific Time, sandyv63 wrote:
Has anyone had any luck getting approved through a company that is self funded? I currently work for a local public school system in Florida and we are a self funded organization. Recently the board has changed our insurance to something called Pathways, which is more or less a behavior modification system in my opinion (still self funded.) There are three levels of insurance employees can get based on how compliant they are about following a strict regiment of testing. It is supposed to be a more preventative type of health insurance as everyone who wants decent coverage must get certain tests at certain ages. If an employee does not want to get a colonoscopy every five years, for example, then they will not get the decent coverage they need. They will be dropped to a bare bones policy. I understand the logic of this type of plan but I just don't believe this is necessarily going to work. Bariatric surgery is not covered and to me this voids the whole prevention concept behind this type of insurance plan. My question is this: has anyone ever managed to get approved for bariatric surgery while working for an organization that was self funded and/or offered the same kind of tiered insurance plan? I had to undergo some lab work just to get the second level of insurance so I have documented proof already of certain conditions and my doctor can provide even more proof. There is definitely a medical need in my case and proof to back it up but in Florida, I don't believe there is any law that will force my employer to pay for the surgery even though there is a medical necessity. If anyone has had any experience or can offer any advice, I am listening. Thank you.I don't believe there is a law in any state that says an employer has to provide WLS. Perhaps one, I forget which one it is, Georgia? Maybe? But not Florida.
The ins is offered, you can accept or self pay for another policy but even if you did self pay for another policy, private policies do not cover WLS.
Have you tried appealing? It couldn't hurt. But legally, nope. Nobody has to even provide you with ins let alone specific coverages.
Previously Midwesterngirl
The band got me to goal, the sleeve will keep me there.
See my blog for newbies: http://wasabubblebutt.blogspot.com/
The band got me to goal, the sleeve will keep me there.
See my blog for newbies: http://wasabubblebutt.blogspot.com/
Topic: Self Funded Employer
Has anyone had any luck getting approved through a company that is self funded? I currently work for a local public school system in Florida and we are a self funded organization. Recently the board has changed our insurance to something called Pathways, which is more or less a behavior modification system in my opinion (still self funded.) There are three levels of insurance employees can get based on how compliant they are about following a strict regiment of testing. It is supposed to be a more preventative type of health insurance as everyone who wants decent coverage must get certain tests at certain ages. If an employee does not want to get a colonoscopy every five years, for example, then they will not get the decent coverage they need. They will be dropped to a bare bones policy. I understand the logic of this type of plan but I just don't believe this is necessarily going to work. Bariatric surgery is not covered and to me this voids the whole prevention concept behind this type of insurance plan. My question is this: has anyone ever managed to get approved for bariatric surgery while working for an organization that was self funded and/or offered the same kind of tiered insurance plan? I had to undergo some lab work just to get the second level of insurance so I have documented proof already of certain conditions and my doctor can provide even more proof. There is definitely a medical need in my case and proof to back it up but in Florida, I don't believe there is any law that will force my employer to pay for the surgery even though there is a medical necessity. If anyone has had any experience or can offer any advice, I am listening. Thank you.
Topic: RE: United Heath Care
United is one of three Insurance companies that actively support VSG as a viable alternative to the RNY. In their book it's past the stage of exploratory surgery.
All that's left is to find out if your brothers particular plan covers that particular surgery.
Good luck
All that's left is to find out if your brothers particular plan covers that particular surgery.
Good luck
Topic: RE: UHC and a run around, anyone else?
I'm glad you finally got yours overturned, that's so crazy. That's sort of what was happening to me.... the paperwork had been sent 5 times, but she still didn't have it. I ended up calling and requesting that my case be assigned to a different nurse, I had to leave a voicemail. The next day I got a call saying I was approved. Now I hope the billing stuff isn't a hassle, I certainly do not have any extra cash. I don't have a date yet, but hopefully today. Good luck to you!
Topic: RE: UHC and a run around, anyone else?
Oh yes.... I was done with my classes, labs and evaluations in October. A UHC adjuster first closed my file because they claimed my surgeon's office forgot a page in the fax of my weight history and the adjuster wouldn't wait another business day to get it. Random. So the next day, they had to open a second file for me with the completed paperwork re-sent...........and it took a full month to hear back, only for them to deny. If I had gone off what the generic denial letter said, I would have had no clue why. Thankfully, my surgeon called the UHC medical director to see wtf was going on. It was because they claimed that page on the weight history was still missing. My surgeon corrected them and had someone from the office re-send the same damn thing again and they overturned it. I got my official approval about a week later. They are seriously sketchy on the tracking of paperwork, in my exerience. Also, they made massive errors in billing my pre-op labwork and expensive (covered) tests. I had to correct them a ton of times. Just stay on it, and if you can get your surgeon's office (or better yet, your surgeon) to call them for you, that might get faster reaction.
Topic: RE: Anyone have Aetna through UPS?
Hi Kelli,
I don' have Aetna through UPS, but I do have Aetna. I had my surgery in 2009 and all three of my kids had surgery in 2010!! (my two boys had surgery 2 weeks ago tomorrow!) We were all approved through Aetna. Two of us denied at first and appealed and got the denial overturned. The two boys, both were approved at first submission. We submitted their paperwork and were both approved within two weeks.
Nan
I don' have Aetna through UPS, but I do have Aetna. I had my surgery in 2009 and all three of my kids had surgery in 2010!! (my two boys had surgery 2 weeks ago tomorrow!) We were all approved through Aetna. Two of us denied at first and appealed and got the denial overturned. The two boys, both were approved at first submission. We submitted their paperwork and were both approved within two weeks.
Nan
Nan
HW 300 / SW 280 / CW 138 / GW 140
Hit Goal 4/2/2010
Topic: RE: Tricare Prime North question
Have a nic day.
Jess
No, you do not have to go with what your insurance covers. People appeal their surgery choices all the time and get the surgery choice they want.
But, you have to do what is right for you. If you want RNY, go for it.
On December 26, 2010 at 7:47 AM Pacific Time, passionjess wrote:
Again thank you for your input unfortunatley I have to go with what my insurance covers. The MTF on base dosen't do major surgeries and would refer me to the center I am going to anyways so RNY is what TRICARE covers and that is what I have to go with. I have done a lot of research and I feel this is what is best. Again thank you for your input.Have a nic day.
Jess
No, you do not have to go with what your insurance covers. People appeal their surgery choices all the time and get the surgery choice they want.
But, you have to do what is right for you. If you want RNY, go for it.
Previously Midwesterngirl
The band got me to goal, the sleeve will keep me there.
See my blog for newbies: http://wasabubblebutt.blogspot.com/
The band got me to goal, the sleeve will keep me there.
See my blog for newbies: http://wasabubblebutt.blogspot.com/
Topic: RE: Tricare Prime North question
Again thank you for your input unfortunatley I have to go with what my insurance covers. The MTF on base dosen't do major surgeries and would refer me to the center I am going to anyways so RNY is what TRICARE covers and that is what I have to go with. I have done a lot of research and I feel this is what is best. Again thank you for your input.
Have a nic day.
Jess
Have a nic day.
Jess