Support group meeting...Coffee blocks absorption!!

cabin111
on 6/2/08 4:30 pm
Hey guys.  Went to support group this evening (saw Robert from this board...Good to see you).  It's a once a month meeting hosted by the hospital that I had my surgery with.  We had a guest speaker from Bariatric Advantage.  The local surgeon likes this brand so I have gone with it for my iron and calcium citrate.  The thing that I got from her presentation...Coffee blocks absorption big time.  It really blocks iron bad.  She recommended waiting 2 hours after drinking coffee to take your vitamins.  Just wondering if anyone has heard about coffee blocking absorption??  Brian
Cagledude
on 6/2/08 9:18 pm - Lawrence, IN
Brian, Our surgeon insisted on not drinking any type of coffee or tea for the first six months just for that reason.  It was hard to do without, but I think in the long run, a wise decision.  Now, tho, I get the majority of my protein from my lattes.  For two years, we've had outstanding lab results, so I think he knew what he was talking about.  Floyd

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foobear
on 6/2/08 10:54 pm - Medford, MA
Yep, I've read that both coffee _AND_ tea can reduce the absorption of dietary iron.  The bit about calcium is new to me. /Steve
foobear
on 6/2/08 11:01 pm - Medford, MA
Looks like vitamin C and meat, taken at the same time as your iron, can restore the absorption of iron when tea is ingested, though they recommend drinking tea between meals. Note that both tea and coffee contain large amounts of polyphenol compounds (the so-called antioxidants), which are the agents thought to block iron absorption. /Steve
Crit Rev Food Sci Nutr. 2000 Sep;40(5):371-98. Links

Effect of tea and other dietary factors on iron absorption.

Zijp IM, Korver O, Tijburg LB.

Unilever Research Vlaardingen, The Netherlands.

Iron deficiency is a major world health problem, that is, to a great extent, caused by poor iron absorption from the diet. Several dietary factors can influence this absorption. Absorption enhancing factors are ascorbic acid and meat, fish and poultry; inhibiting factors are plant components in vegetables, tea and coffee (e.g., polyphenols, phytates), and calcium. After identifying these factors their individual impact on iron absorption is described. Specific attention was paid to the effects of tea on iron absorption. We propose a calculation model that predicts iron absorption from a meal. Using this model we calculated the iron absorption from daily menus with varying amounts of enhancers and inhibitors. From these calculations we conclude that the presence of sufficient amounts of iron absorption enhancers (ascorbic acid, meat, fish, poultry, as present in most industrialized countries) overcomes inhibition of iron absorption from even large amounts of tea. In individuals with low intakes of heme iron, low intakes of enhancing factors and/or high intakes of inhibitors, iron absorption may be an issue. Depletion of iron stores enhances iron absorption, but this effect is not adequate to compensate for the inhibition of iron absorption in such an inadequate dietary situation. For subjects at risk of iron deficiency, the following recommendations are made. Increase heme-iron intake (this form of dietary iron present in meat fish and poultry is hardly influenced by other dietary factors with respect to its absorption); increase meal-time ascorbic acid intake; fortify foods with iron. Recommendations with respect to tea consumption (when in a critical group) include: consume tea between meals instead of during the meal; simultaneously consume ascorbic acid and/or meat, fish and poultry.

PMID: 11029010 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Boner
on 6/2/08 11:19 pm - South of Boulder, CO
Great research Foobear, I drink quite a bit of coffee but I didn't know the real skinny on malabsorbion of iron. I eat a ton of spinich and and was told by my doc that plant iron, as found in spinich, doesn't absorb as well as meat sources so I also eat a lot of chicken, turkey, beef and liver. I also use a cast iron skillet to cook up my meals and take iron supplements daily. So far, so good on the labs but good to know that coffee isn't helping matters out.  Boner
Steve H.
on 6/3/08 1:42 am - Bakersfield, CA
My surgeon RECOMMENDED that I drink coffee to help with the constipation, so far my Iron levels are in the normal range sooo........ who am I to argue with the doctor
Robert S.
on 6/3/08 9:02 am - Modesto, CA
Nice to see you there.  She also said Flinstone mutivitamins were no good.  When I got home I pulled out my supplement guide that the hospital gave us and it states there black and white Flintstone vitamins are ok to take. I guess I'll have to wait for my lab results to see is there working or not.  Also That protine sample you gave me smells really good.


Robert S.
on 6/3/08 9:09 am - Modesto, CA
Ok so I call Dr Coirin's office and they told me Flinstones are perfectly fine to take.  They were kind of pissed that Bariatric Advantage would say that.


BamaBob54
on 6/3/08 11:35 am - Meridianville, AL
My nutritionist at Vanderbilt said the Flinstones are fine, but recommends that adults take 2 of them a day. She also suggested that I buy the Walmart equivalent of Flinstones (which I did) because they are 1/3 the price and are identical. Besides, when I get the Flintstone, I will only  eat Betty and Wilma.  BwaHahahaha!!
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Dave G.
on 6/3/08 1:03 pm - Garden Grove, CA
I don't buy it. The reason being is, before my RNY, I was low on iron - very consistantly low. Now, I'm not.  I'm normal. I drink a LOT of coffee (on the order of 8-10 cups) a day.  I take my supplements.  I drink anywhere from 5-7 16.9 oz bottles of water a day on top of my coffee intake.  (In other words, when I record my stuff in The Daily Plate, I don't count the coffee as liquid intake - jus****er.) So - unless there's something wierd about me - I just simply don't buy it.  Blood tests don't lie. My surgeon wouldn't let me have coffee for six weeks after surgery because it hinders in the healing process. (Makes the capillaries smaller, so blood flow isn't as good to the wound site) So - no disrespect to the people at your support group, but .. I just simply don't buy it.
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