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Brian - I don't think any of us, you included, was being harsh with Ken. I think we're just being honest and "tellin' it like it is". He's done great, as we all said, but can't rest on his laurels. None of us can. We have to be ever-vigilant on a daily basis. It can be far too easy to let something like KFC become a once-a-week habit, then twice-a-week, then an every other day thing. That would be totally counter-productive to what he has accomplished thus far and would lead to major weight gains and frustration on his part. I 'm sure none of us wants to see a fellow WLS brother go backwards.
We are all here to support one another. In my book, support ain't always saying nice things that someone wants to hear, but telling them what they NEED to hear. It's giving them a staight forward reality check and a maybe boot in the rear wake-up call!!
Just my $.02!!
We are all here to support one another. In my book, support ain't always saying nice things that someone wants to hear, but telling them what they NEED to hear. It's giving them a staight forward reality check and a maybe boot in the rear wake-up call!!
Just my $.02!!
BamaBob54 
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Well said, Bama! God knows I need(ed) a good old fashion reality check (butt kickin') every now and then as well and I've always been able to come to the locker room for that. No punches pulled and just good old fashion honesty communicated in a direct, supportive fashion.
That said, everyone repeat after me.......FAST FOOD IS EVIL, FAST FOOD IS EVIL, FAST FOOD IS EVIL,
Boner
That said, everyone repeat after me.......FAST FOOD IS EVIL, FAST FOOD IS EVIL, FAST FOOD IS EVIL,
Boner
I definately think nutrition is where you're stalling. I, myself am quite a snacker. I curb this I found that making a plate full of like 8-10 different tastes/flavors did the trick. I'll use pickles, olives, various hard and soft cheeses, rye toasts, nuts, meats, dried fruits etc. Sometimes I even put a little piece of really dark chocolate. I just fill the plate with a bite or two per flavor and call it dinner. It's an easy way to fill your whole pallate and stay nutritiously sound.
Have you considered changing up your work-out routine? I find that after a few months of mine, the progress slows and stalls out. I just start doing different things and it revvs right back up.
Remember that your body also needs time to catch up. These plateaus are TOTALLY normal. Keep going back to basics, and the plateau will end. 1. Nutrition 2. Exercise 3. Attitude. Keep those things in check and you'll be just fine. In the mean time, we'll be here to grumble at
Have you considered changing up your work-out routine? I find that after a few months of mine, the progress slows and stalls out. I just start doing different things and it revvs right back up.
Remember that your body also needs time to catch up. These plateaus are TOTALLY normal. Keep going back to basics, and the plateau will end. 1. Nutrition 2. Exercise 3. Attitude. Keep those things in check and you'll be just fine. In the mean time, we'll be here to grumble at
you know, carrtje, it never occured to me to that after all this time! that's usually all i want, a variety. even after all this time i just hurled baloney schrapnel last night because i just had to have a rice crispy cake. dumb ass. i can't do sugar and i cheated and paid the big price. i love carbs, mainly crackers. i work out so much i can eat anything but i know it's wrong. i've stayed the same weight for so long i forgot i can screw up. i'm gonna try your idea of putting a whole bunch of different crap on my plate. good idea, thanks.....carbonblob
Hey CB,
"hurled baloney schrapnel" I bought some baloney last Sunday and nearly spewed. First time I'd eaten any since WLS 3 years ago.
I was on a bike ride, only had $5 or so, the baloney was on sale (deli chicken and turkey was like $5 lb) so I opted for it and paid the price about an hour later. Should have just got some fruit but I was hankerin' for some protein (I know baloney is **** poor protein but it's MEAT, huh?)
Boner
"hurled baloney schrapnel"
I bought some baloney last Sunday and nearly spewed. First time I'd eaten any since WLS 3 years ago. I was on a bike ride, only had $5 or so, the baloney was on sale (deli chicken and turkey was like $5 lb) so I opted for it and paid the price about an hour later. Should have just got some fruit but I was hankerin' for some protein (I know baloney is **** poor protein but it's MEAT, huh?)
Boner
Ken,
My quick answer is- “OverComing-Stalls-Post” Several I have read have the same Loss History.
(I think CB was the King of Stalls)
Beyond the KFC which seems to have been covered,
A lot of the "stalls" issue may be the result of a couple of things-
Where are you in % of excess weight left to lose?
And, How much of your excess weight did your lose Prior to surgery?
If you drop back your Carb intake to less than 30gms a day,
Pretty much no matter,
The weight will come off.
But, for “Long-Term,” a more balanced diet is recommended.
The “Stalls” are normal/typical.
I had about 3 big ones while on my way down to goal.
It’s really not even considered a true “Plateau” until it hits 4 weeks.
Although it sounds counter intuitive,
Are you getting “Enough Calories?”
Pull back from your ‘daily’ charting, and look at a weekly or even monthly.
There are up and down spikes each day,
But if you ‘graph’ the highest to the lowest, I’d bet there is still
A downward slope over the course of the month.
(unless of course, you are eating too much fried stuff.)
The “Biggie” is this-
There’s an 8 to 10lb. volume of “wiggle room” due to water alone.
And it comes into play a lot.
This has to do with our bodies using glycogen for short term energy storage.
Glycogen is not very soluble,
But it is stored in our muscles for quick energy –
One pound of glycogen requires 4 lbs of water to keep it soluble,
And the average glycogen storage capacity is about 2 lbs.
So, when you are not getting in enough food,
(Like when you drop down to your calorie intake)
Your body turns first to stored glycogen,
Which is easy to break down for energy.
And when you use up 2 lbs of glycogen,
You also lose 8 lbs of water that was used to store it
Voila -- the "easy" 10 lbs that most people lose in the first week of any diet.
As you stay in caloric deficit, however,
Your body starts to ‘realize’ that this is not a short term problem.
You start mobilizing fat from your adipose tissue
And burning fat for energy.
But your body also ‘realizes’----
(by way of your liver releasing hormones signaling low Cal intake)
---That fat can't be used for short bursts of energy –
It starts converting some of the fat into glycogen,
And rebuilding the glycogen stores.
And as it puts back the 2 lbs of glycogen into the muscle,
8 lbs of water has to be stored with it to keep it soluble.
So, even though you might still be LOSING energy content to your body,
(Thus showing negative Calorie load overall)
Your weight will not go down or you might even GAIN for a while
As you retain water to dissolve the glycogen that is being reformed and stored.
Yes?
The whole ‘weight-loss’ process is not a straight “Slide” down the scale.
More like “Stair-Steps,” (Down then forward, then down, then forward, etc...
As your body cycles fat out of “deep storage” and through the Liver
Into the muscles as Glycogen.
The muscles and Liver can hold about a 3 weeks supply.
This is why many people find that their “Stall” or “Plateau”
Breaks when adding a bit of exercise
And upping their water intake, or in the case of an “extreme exerciser,”
The total Calorie or Protein Intake,
To signal the liver to let go of more Glycogen.
Fear not, many people who are now enjoying life at a normal BMI
Once had a few weeks or so of thinking-
“...my weight loss has been awfully slow, has it stopped...”?
Just to "Percentages,"
So Often I've seen the Posted Question-
“My Weight Loss has Slowed to nearly Nothing!”
A lot are nervous about "Missing out on the window of opportunity"
Afforded by their “Honeymoon Period,”
It may help to Think of it as proportions or ratios.
For me, I was at 385 pounds to start.
My Ultimate Goal was to lose 200 pounds.
The first two weeks I lost 20 pounds!
10 pounds a week! Yahoo! Who could be happier?
That was a loss rate of 5% of my Goal Loss - Each week.
So that left me with 180 pounds left to lose.
By the 6th month, I had lost 90 pounds
And had only 110 pounds left to lose.
During the 7th month I was losing at a rate of approx.
5 pounds each week, some weeks 6.
I “thought” I had slowed so much.
Until I thought of it in ratios.
With only 110 pounds left to lose,
5 pounds a week was roughly the same percentage.
5.5 pounds per week would be 5% of 110 each week.
Once I had lost down to only 50 pounds left to lose,
At around 12 months,
I was losing about a pound a week on the average.
Which once again “Seemed” incredibly slow
Compared to my previous rate of loss.
But having only 50 pounds to lose,
I was still dropping at approximately 5%
Of the Goal weight each week.
Yes?
At One Pound from Goal at about 12 one year out.
It once again “Seemed” that I’d stopped losing.
But 5% of 1 pound is less than one ounce each week.
At my Triumphant rate of 5% each week-
(I had been so thrilled about in the first month,)
It should take me nearly 20 weeks to lose this pound.
So Why should I expect to lose faster at 14 months than I
Did in the first 2 weeks?
The Tool was still working,
I was still following the Doctor's Plan,
And the weight loss, in proportion to the amount of
Weight left to lose, was still as fast as ever.
As long as I kept in mind, the long term goal
Of a healthy life, I wasn't disappointed.
Whenever you find yourself worried that your
Weight loss has slowed too much,
Think of the ratios and proportions.
Your probably Right on Schedule!
Just a thought!
__________________ Best Wishes-
Dx
My quick answer is- “OverComing-Stalls-Post” Several I have read have the same Loss History.
(I think CB was the King of Stalls)
Beyond the KFC which seems to have been covered,
A lot of the "stalls" issue may be the result of a couple of things-
Where are you in % of excess weight left to lose?
And, How much of your excess weight did your lose Prior to surgery?
If you drop back your Carb intake to less than 30gms a day,
Pretty much no matter,
The weight will come off.
But, for “Long-Term,” a more balanced diet is recommended.
The “Stalls” are normal/typical.
I had about 3 big ones while on my way down to goal.
It’s really not even considered a true “Plateau” until it hits 4 weeks.
Although it sounds counter intuitive,
Are you getting “Enough Calories?”
Pull back from your ‘daily’ charting, and look at a weekly or even monthly.
There are up and down spikes each day,
But if you ‘graph’ the highest to the lowest, I’d bet there is still
A downward slope over the course of the month.
(unless of course, you are eating too much fried stuff.)
The “Biggie” is this-
There’s an 8 to 10lb. volume of “wiggle room” due to water alone.
And it comes into play a lot.
This has to do with our bodies using glycogen for short term energy storage.
Glycogen is not very soluble,
But it is stored in our muscles for quick energy –
One pound of glycogen requires 4 lbs of water to keep it soluble,
And the average glycogen storage capacity is about 2 lbs.
So, when you are not getting in enough food,
(Like when you drop down to your calorie intake)
Your body turns first to stored glycogen,
Which is easy to break down for energy.
And when you use up 2 lbs of glycogen,
You also lose 8 lbs of water that was used to store it
Voila -- the "easy" 10 lbs that most people lose in the first week of any diet.
As you stay in caloric deficit, however,
Your body starts to ‘realize’ that this is not a short term problem.
You start mobilizing fat from your adipose tissue
And burning fat for energy.
But your body also ‘realizes’----
(by way of your liver releasing hormones signaling low Cal intake)
---That fat can't be used for short bursts of energy –
It starts converting some of the fat into glycogen,
And rebuilding the glycogen stores.
And as it puts back the 2 lbs of glycogen into the muscle,
8 lbs of water has to be stored with it to keep it soluble.
So, even though you might still be LOSING energy content to your body,
(Thus showing negative Calorie load overall)
Your weight will not go down or you might even GAIN for a while
As you retain water to dissolve the glycogen that is being reformed and stored.
Yes?
The whole ‘weight-loss’ process is not a straight “Slide” down the scale.
More like “Stair-Steps,” (Down then forward, then down, then forward, etc...
As your body cycles fat out of “deep storage” and through the Liver
Into the muscles as Glycogen.
The muscles and Liver can hold about a 3 weeks supply.
This is why many people find that their “Stall” or “Plateau”
Breaks when adding a bit of exercise
And upping their water intake, or in the case of an “extreme exerciser,”
The total Calorie or Protein Intake,
To signal the liver to let go of more Glycogen.
Fear not, many people who are now enjoying life at a normal BMI
Once had a few weeks or so of thinking-
“...my weight loss has been awfully slow, has it stopped...”?
Just to "Percentages,"
So Often I've seen the Posted Question-
“My Weight Loss has Slowed to nearly Nothing!”
A lot are nervous about "Missing out on the window of opportunity"
Afforded by their “Honeymoon Period,”
It may help to Think of it as proportions or ratios.
For me, I was at 385 pounds to start.
My Ultimate Goal was to lose 200 pounds.
The first two weeks I lost 20 pounds!
10 pounds a week! Yahoo! Who could be happier?
That was a loss rate of 5% of my Goal Loss - Each week.
So that left me with 180 pounds left to lose.
By the 6th month, I had lost 90 pounds
And had only 110 pounds left to lose.
During the 7th month I was losing at a rate of approx.
5 pounds each week, some weeks 6.
I “thought” I had slowed so much.
Until I thought of it in ratios.
With only 110 pounds left to lose,
5 pounds a week was roughly the same percentage.
5.5 pounds per week would be 5% of 110 each week.
Once I had lost down to only 50 pounds left to lose,
At around 12 months,
I was losing about a pound a week on the average.
Which once again “Seemed” incredibly slow
Compared to my previous rate of loss.
But having only 50 pounds to lose,
I was still dropping at approximately 5%
Of the Goal weight each week.
Yes?
At One Pound from Goal at about 12 one year out.
It once again “Seemed” that I’d stopped losing.
But 5% of 1 pound is less than one ounce each week.
At my Triumphant rate of 5% each week-
(I had been so thrilled about in the first month,)
It should take me nearly 20 weeks to lose this pound.
So Why should I expect to lose faster at 14 months than I
Did in the first 2 weeks?
The Tool was still working,
I was still following the Doctor's Plan,
And the weight loss, in proportion to the amount of
Weight left to lose, was still as fast as ever.
As long as I kept in mind, the long term goal
Of a healthy life, I wasn't disappointed.
Whenever you find yourself worried that your
Weight loss has slowed too much,
Think of the ratios and proportions.
Your probably Right on Schedule!
Just a thought!
__________________ Best Wishes-
Dx
Capricious; Impulsive, Semi-Predictable 
DX,
It is very easy to become accustomed to the big weight loss numbers in the beginning. My first week on the liquid diet, I lost 18 pounds (looking back a good chunk of this had to be fluid), so my current 4 pounds a week seems sort of pitiful. I got a reality shock, when I heard a non WLS co-worker being happy that she is losing about 1 pound a week. Brings our journey back into perspective.
Jim
Thanks Guys for the beat down. Sometimes you do need it. I'm a very active guy, was at 400 and still am know. My problem is veriety of foods my whole life. I played several sports from the time i was 3. Never home during meal times. I've had 16 knee surgeries since 18 years of age. My weight jumped on me from lack of activity. Well I have started as of yesterday, 2 weeks of the liquid diet that i did the week before surgery. Like I said I'm not hungry when I went to Kfc i was just trying to get some protein in. Someone asked what I dipped the popcorn chicken in (nothing). I would get a small popcorn chicken and it would last me one supper, one breakfast and one snack. My workout has been 3 miles a day every other day and two rounds of golf a week (Walking). I've just started back to lifting weights about 3 weeks ago. In high school , I was addicted to weights. I've bought a bike and have started riding that. I will get back on track. I coach two different teams for my girl and know the season is over and I'm back on my schedule. Thanks for everything and I don't mind the kick in the ass. I come from the school where the football coach used to spit tobacco on top of the helmet and let it slide down the facemask. Have a good day. Ken
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