Dr Oz and the lapband show today, anyone see it?
I Saw it, was disappointed that the band was the only wls that was featured. feel sorry for the girls there considering the band, I sure hope they research some more, I know I'm glad I did!!!
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on 4/4/11 1:30 pm - ~Somewhere in~, PA
on 4/4/11 1:30 pm - ~Somewhere in~, PA
Dear Sleeve Genie,
Sorry to burst your bubble but there are millions of successful lap banders outside of Obesity Help that have NO complications, I am one of them, going on 6 years, we don't post often because we are happy and living our lives, I had no clue that in 4 more years that I will be getting my band removed? What if I am not abusing it and it fits my body? Then what? I think it's very sad to hate the band when you have not had it.
The band does not work for some people for various reasons, surgeons error, patient body rejecting the band or there can be minor mechanical problems such as leaks that are very easily fixed, but the MAJORITY of band issues are PATIENTS ABUSING the band being filled too tightly or eating solids before their band heals.
Many people follow the diet and exercise regimen that the band requires and have no problems, the band is not for everyone but please don't ba**** because it was not the best choice for you, I would never bash the Sleeve or RNY or the DS, I could care less which surgery someone picks it's our bodies and our choice, I picked the best and safest wls for ME and knock on wood, going on 6 years its keeping my weight down complication free. I wish you many years of success with your Sleeve.
Sorry to burst your bubble but there are millions of successful lap banders outside of Obesity Help that have NO complications, I am one of them, going on 6 years, we don't post often because we are happy and living our lives, I had no clue that in 4 more years that I will be getting my band removed? What if I am not abusing it and it fits my body? Then what? I think it's very sad to hate the band when you have not had it.
The band does not work for some people for various reasons, surgeons error, patient body rejecting the band or there can be minor mechanical problems such as leaks that are very easily fixed, but the MAJORITY of band issues are PATIENTS ABUSING the band being filled too tightly or eating solids before their band heals.
Many people follow the diet and exercise regimen that the band requires and have no problems, the band is not for everyone but please don't ba**** because it was not the best choice for you, I would never bash the Sleeve or RNY or the DS, I could care less which surgery someone picks it's our bodies and our choice, I picked the best and safest wls for ME and knock on wood, going on 6 years its keeping my weight down complication free. I wish you many years of success with your Sleeve.
Hey Nana, i'm sorry if you got the impression i was bashing the band because that was not my intention. If you read all of my posts i say i think everyone should decide what is best for them, I'm happy that it works for you. I just think they should get all the information and i am disapointed that the dr oz show didn't address all the issues and was very one sided. In my research i have read that the makers of the band on their websites say the life of the band is 10 yrs and i wonder what happens then. So my point in the thread was about the show itself and not to bash the band. I just think they could have done so much more than they did and i was disapointed in dr oz. I have friends with the band and they did follow the rules and they have had lots of issues and i felt that that was not addressed. Again, i'm sorry if i offended you as that is never my intention. I believe we are all on the same journey and i wish all of us only the best. I also believe we all get there in our own time and way. I wish you many years of success also :o) jeani
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On April 4, 2011 at 8:30 PM Pacific Time, ~~Nana ~. wrote:
Dear Sleeve Genie,Sorry to burst your bubble but there are millions of successful lap banders outside of Obesity Help that have NO complications, I am one of them, going on 6 years, we don't post often because we are happy and living our lives, I had no clue that in 4 more years that I will be getting my band removed? What if I am not abusing it and it fits my body? Then what? I think it's very sad to hate the band when you have not had it.
The band does not work for some people for various reasons, surgeons error, patient body rejecting the band or there can be minor mechanical problems such as leaks that are very easily fixed, but the MAJORITY of band issues are PATIENTS ABUSING the band being filled too tightly or eating solids before their band heals.
Many people follow the diet and exercise regimen that the band requires and have no problems, the band is not for everyone but please don't ba**** because it was not the best choice for you, I would never bash the Sleeve or RNY or the DS, I could care less which surgery someone picks it's our bodies and our choice, I picked the best and safest wls for ME and knock on wood, going on 6 years its keeping my weight down complication free. I wish you many years of success with your Sleeve.
I hung out on a band board for 7 months waiting for my surgery (because I thought I was getting a band) and that is certain the song that the bandsters sing. But it is NOT WHAT I SAW. I saw plenty of people whose bands were not too tight who start to have problems with it at the 18 month to 3 year mark. I am still friends with a lot of those people and the ones who were doing great back then are starting to have problems now.
For me, it was too much of a crapshoot. I didn't want to follow all the rules and then be one of the people who couldn't get restriction or whose band decide to slip or erode after a couple of years. I'm old enough that I only wanted one surgery and the re-surgery rates on the band are just too high the farther out you get.
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Hi there, lurker weighing in here I hope youall don't mind if I blather a bit.
I had this on the the background today and how I heard them say it was the average sustained weight loss with the band was 20% of total weight, not excess. So that would be 50 lbs for a 250 lb person, or a 34 lb loss for a 170 lb person. If you think about it, ironically the 170 person might get to goal @ 136 whereas in this scenario I guess the imaginary 200 lb person would most likely be stuck on a plateau.
They debated the merits of the 20% weight reduction vs. the risks involved for people with 40 and over bmi's vs. bmi's between 30-40. One guest Dr. said there haven't been enough studies done for conclusive evidence either way so she remains a skeptic (one study only had 170ish people). The other expert guest (a lap-band surgeon) pointed out that for many people a 20% loss of body weight has significant medical benefits.
To me it was a mute point though. People get too hung up on averages, since it's up to the individual and there are gastric-band patients all along the spectrum from 0% loss to all the way to their goal weight. Having an average doesn't even mean that actual people tend to cluster there. For ex I have 1 sister and 2 brothers, so we sibs are 50% male and 50% female. None of us are half and half, lol. Statistics on talk shows or the news are constantly mispresented in an effort to "dumb it down" to a sound byte for viewers; imo most viewers are smarter than they think and take it for the grain of salt it is.
The food they showed that the new bander eats is a joke; I don't know anyone with a band who eats like that. If all she can really get down is a few spoonfulls of pudding and some soup then her band is too tight. At any rate she can't possibly be getting proper nutrition. But I guess that's ok as long as the fat is just flying off her (?) My guess is there was a producer involved in there somewhere who wanted to present the maximum "omg! look at what she eats!" moment. Like, maybe at one point she was asked what she ate right after the surgery and they decided to plate that mushy food up for effect, and she went with it like a good little guest. Who knows?
Some of the complications they presented were definitely worth considering. If I were just starting to consider a band, some of what was presented would definitely give me pause. They also made exellent points about checking with insurance ahead of time to see what's covered (ftr mine will cover fills, I'm sorry to hear that some won't--I bet that's an unwelcome shock to some patients). I think the two women on the show had pretty much made up their minds to get the surgery already, then seeing the 2 patients who had lost a ton just sealed the deal. I agree they should have included a guest who hadn't been sucessful with it, to provide a balance.
It would also be great if Dr Oz would do a show on bariatric surgery in general and present all the options that are available today, along with their pro's and con's. Many must go into various surgeries with rose-colored glasses on then get slapped with the drawbacks after it's too late. Others may get scared-off something that could potentially help them, because all they hear are the horror stories or the anectdotes about unmotivated patents. Others don't know there are other options out there, such as the sleeve; they just take whatever's available to them figuring that one is as good as another as long as some Dr. will do SOMETHING to 'cure' them. Barring complications, I think most people who fail any wls do so once they figure out it's still up to them to cure themselves, and they either can't or won't put in the effort.
Interestingly, Dr. Oz did a segment on Oprah a couple of years ago that was definitely anti-band. Oprah herself was most def anti-surgery (the old cop-out argument) . Maybe Oz goes with the script of the day when it comes to subjective topics, whatever makes good tv sorry to say.
My apologies, I just wrote a dang novel here!
I had this on the the background today and how I heard them say it was the average sustained weight loss with the band was 20% of total weight, not excess. So that would be 50 lbs for a 250 lb person, or a 34 lb loss for a 170 lb person. If you think about it, ironically the 170 person might get to goal @ 136 whereas in this scenario I guess the imaginary 200 lb person would most likely be stuck on a plateau.
They debated the merits of the 20% weight reduction vs. the risks involved for people with 40 and over bmi's vs. bmi's between 30-40. One guest Dr. said there haven't been enough studies done for conclusive evidence either way so she remains a skeptic (one study only had 170ish people). The other expert guest (a lap-band surgeon) pointed out that for many people a 20% loss of body weight has significant medical benefits.
To me it was a mute point though. People get too hung up on averages, since it's up to the individual and there are gastric-band patients all along the spectrum from 0% loss to all the way to their goal weight. Having an average doesn't even mean that actual people tend to cluster there. For ex I have 1 sister and 2 brothers, so we sibs are 50% male and 50% female. None of us are half and half, lol. Statistics on talk shows or the news are constantly mispresented in an effort to "dumb it down" to a sound byte for viewers; imo most viewers are smarter than they think and take it for the grain of salt it is.
The food they showed that the new bander eats is a joke; I don't know anyone with a band who eats like that. If all she can really get down is a few spoonfulls of pudding and some soup then her band is too tight. At any rate she can't possibly be getting proper nutrition. But I guess that's ok as long as the fat is just flying off her (?) My guess is there was a producer involved in there somewhere who wanted to present the maximum "omg! look at what she eats!" moment. Like, maybe at one point she was asked what she ate right after the surgery and they decided to plate that mushy food up for effect, and she went with it like a good little guest. Who knows?
Some of the complications they presented were definitely worth considering. If I were just starting to consider a band, some of what was presented would definitely give me pause. They also made exellent points about checking with insurance ahead of time to see what's covered (ftr mine will cover fills, I'm sorry to hear that some won't--I bet that's an unwelcome shock to some patients). I think the two women on the show had pretty much made up their minds to get the surgery already, then seeing the 2 patients who had lost a ton just sealed the deal. I agree they should have included a guest who hadn't been sucessful with it, to provide a balance.
It would also be great if Dr Oz would do a show on bariatric surgery in general and present all the options that are available today, along with their pro's and con's. Many must go into various surgeries with rose-colored glasses on then get slapped with the drawbacks after it's too late. Others may get scared-off something that could potentially help them, because all they hear are the horror stories or the anectdotes about unmotivated patents. Others don't know there are other options out there, such as the sleeve; they just take whatever's available to them figuring that one is as good as another as long as some Dr. will do SOMETHING to 'cure' them. Barring complications, I think most people who fail any wls do so once they figure out it's still up to them to cure themselves, and they either can't or won't put in the effort.
Interestingly, Dr. Oz did a segment on Oprah a couple of years ago that was definitely anti-band. Oprah herself was most def anti-surgery (the old cop-out argument) . Maybe Oz goes with the script of the day when it comes to subjective topics, whatever makes good tv sorry to say.
My apologies, I just wrote a dang novel here!
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on 4/4/11 1:43 pm - ~Somewhere in~, PA
on 4/4/11 1:43 pm - ~Somewhere in~, PA
Hello Tia, the band is ONLY A TOOL that HELPS you DIET, I've had mine going on 6 years, I KNEW this upfront, so I worked my band and lost 130 pounds with it and I have been complication free, the band ONLY restricts food, it does not tell you to go walk or go to the gym or eat mostly proteins....you must be motivated to do those things to be successful JUST LIKE THE SLEEVE, RNY or DS they are ALL TOOLS but work differently. I've kept most of my weight down with little to no effort for 6 years complication free and I love my band, I gained a few pounds last year but that was due to not having proper restriction after getting it unfilled for surgery, but after I changed surgeons who was PRO RNY and a ALL band surgeon I've had perfect restriction and lost the weight. It has been the best tool for me, I am a working professional and it has been the safest surgery for me and my lifestyle. My BMI was 49 when I started, I was too heavy to jog or do heavy exercise walking pull most of my weight off with the bands help. I love my band.
Hi Nana,
Congrats on your amazing success, to me you are an inspiration! I agree with you that we are all on the same journey, some of us just take different routes (though like you I have the band). Also like you I don't understand when I read threads where some seem so invested insisting that THEIR way is best. It seems like religious ferver sometimes! If someone is getting healthier, it's all good as far as I'm concerned. It's not a contest or anything. At the end of the day we all have to learn to eat healthier and get more active, no matter which wls we choose.
It does help newbies like me to be reminded of the success stories out there; it helps me anyway. So thanks! :)
Congrats on your amazing success, to me you are an inspiration! I agree with you that we are all on the same journey, some of us just take different routes (though like you I have the band). Also like you I don't understand when I read threads where some seem so invested insisting that THEIR way is best. It seems like religious ferver sometimes! If someone is getting healthier, it's all good as far as I'm concerned. It's not a contest or anything. At the end of the day we all have to learn to eat healthier and get more active, no matter which wls we choose.
It does help newbies like me to be reminded of the success stories out there; it helps me anyway. So thanks! :)
Hey Tia, i love blatherers, i am one and i know and love many, I enjoyed your post. Thanks for jumping in. I agree with you, on many things, it would be great to devote a show someone should do it, i had to struggle around and find out so much stuff completly alone. Thank God for youtube and OH Everyone should know the pros and cons and make realistic choices based on all the info available. Its good to be on the journey with you. It is definatly work but we're gonna do it. We are doing it Best of luck along the way, don't be a stranger :o) Jeani
I just saw it and the show was very one sided. It seems like Dr.Oz was promoting the band instead of being neutral and presenting the facts like he usually does. Its very disappointing. One would only come to the conclusion that he was PAID to promote the band which is very sad when so many fail and then have it taken out or revise to other WLS.
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