Question:
By BMI is 30. What to say so I can get approved for surgery since I got denied?

My BMI is 30 and I got denied surgery b/c I don't meet my health plan's criteria. My health care is Universal-based in Southern California. I'm 5 9" @ 200 lbs and really depressed. Someone please advise what else I can do, say, write, etc. so I can get approved for this surgery. Both my mother & sister had the surgery and were very successful with their weight loss.    — robyn B. (posted on January 23, 2003)


January 23, 2003
At a BMI of 30 you are not going to get approved anywhere. Your BMI has to be atleast 35. I am a light weight myself. You might consider gaining weight for the surgery, but at your height you would have to gain about 40-50 pounds. Are you sure that you are 5ft 9in tall??? This is one time that you could definately stand to be a bit shorter. Have your dr's office measure you .. Maybe you can squeeze out a couple of inches. Drink high cal. shakes and eat like there is no tomorrow.. But whew, 50 pounds or so is quite a lot to gain.... Have you checked out a lap band, there are other methods that you may qualify for..
   — Nickie C.

January 23, 2003
I'm just curious as to WHY you even want this surgery? I am 5'9" as well and now weigh 230lbs. I started at 382. I can't wait to get to weight you are at and feel like "normal" weight. This surgery is no joke. It's a complete life change. Don't put yourself at risk for death (as with any surgery) because you need to loose 50 lbs. This is NOT the easy way to do it. For most of us here it was the last resort. Please don't that anything I said as being an assult on you. Think long and hard before you gain 50lbs and have a major surgery to loose it. I hope you find the answer to what you need. Be blessed.
   — Sandra C.

January 23, 2003
This surgery is the last resort for morbidly obese people. You're not morbidly obese, so no insurance company would approve this type of surgery for you. You probably want to lose about 50 lbs. right? Best bet is to get on a good eating/exercise plan to lose that weight. You're beating your head against the wall if you're trying for insurance coverage. I even see people with BMIs of 40 and higher being denied who desperately need this surgery to live. So someone with a BMI of 30 will be dismissed out of hand. Sorry to be the bearer of this kind of info...you say you're depressed, and I'm sure this doesn't help. Hugs, Joy
   — [Deactivated Member]

January 23, 2003
I can't believe that you want to have this surgery for 50 lbs. This is a major surgery with very serious and high risks. I think you should really think hard about this and what other solutions there may be for you.
   — S W.

January 23, 2003
I agree with everyone else. No insurance will pay and no doctor will do it. I am only 16 days postop and this was truly my last resort even though my BMI was "only" 40. If I were you I would thank your lucky stars you don't qualify and just find a good plan to follow.
   — susanje

January 23, 2003
maybe the lap band is a better choice for you. :) You might have to pay this cash though. The NIH doesn't believe you're a candidate, but I think the LAP BAND might be better cuz you can just do it and lose a smaller amount of weight. Good luck either way. My sisters are on Weight Watchers and doing pretty well, you might try that out as well!
   — Iris B.

January 23, 2003
I would never!!!! advise anyone to gain weight to get surgery!! what if someone gained the 40 or 50 pounds and still did notget covered for surgery, theor life would be even more difficult and their health impaired or endangered. By the way, if weight watchers, or diet & exercise worked more than 5% of the time, none of us would have had surgery.
   — **willow**

January 23, 2003
I would never!!!! advise anyone to gain weight to get surgery!! what if someone gained the 40 or 50 pounds and still did notget covered for surgery, theor life would be even more difficult and their health impaired or endangered. By the way, if weight watchers, or diet & exercise worked more than 5% of the time, none of us would have had surgery.
   — **willow**

January 23, 2003
If you're 5'9" and 200 pounds, gimme a break! If that's a typo, let us know!
   — cddgo

January 23, 2003
Sounds like you're feeling desperate. I hear you. At 5'9", I think 150lbs is the normal range. I'm sorry you're getting all sorts of negative responses, the reality is that it can be hard or impossible to get rid of the weight with or without surgery, but the emotions are the same. Desperation. I don't know your history but I'd suggest the whole exercise & cutting calories, or whatever. But if you are set on having surgery, the lap band would be better for you. If you're binging, maybe going to OA or EDA would help? If you've already tried all this, then follow your heart. One doesn't HAVE to get surgery in the US. There are other options. Take care of you.
   — LionGirl2k

January 24, 2003
I hope you will stop considering a RNY for only 50 lbs. It just is'nt worth it. I needed to lose 190 lbs (lost only but thankfully 160 lbs). I had to get my gallbladder out 10 months post op. Plus I'm still having intermitant severe pains that feel like gallbladder attacks. No one knows what is going on. I'm having potassium, B-12, iron (anemia), and osteroporosis problems. Oh and now LOW blood pressure (88/44) and frequent bouts of feeling as if I'm going to pass out. And there are other problems such as my athritus is much more painful and spreading. I don't regret the RNY as it was the last resort for me. And I just could'nt go on at 319 and 5' 2 1/2. But there are so many life long changes that just would'nt be worth it for only 50 lbs. As someone suggested, the Lap Band may be the way to go for you. But please don't consider gaining weight or haveing the RNY. I think you would highly regret ether. I was emotional prepaired for the changes, and for the most part can handle them. But even so, it is still very hard. WLS is not the easy way out. With surgery comes pain and possible complications and/or death. And once your guts are cut and rearranged you will NEVER, I repeat, NEVER BE THE SAME. You can NEVER go back to what you were. Yes, it some cases it can be reversed, but your insides will NEVER be the same. (Believe me, I know about bad surgeries and trying to put things back the way they were. You never can). I'm happy with my WLS... but I'm paying for it with nutricianal problems and more problems that keep cropping up. I sure don't know where it is going to end. The risk, for me, was worth it. But that is not to say, I like the problems I have. But it is'nt worth it for 50 lbs! Consider the Lap Band. It is my understanding that CAN BE REVERSED! Actually that is what I wanted to have done as I did'nt want my guts all cut up and rearranged. However I was to late to get into the trials... and by the time they approved the LAP BAND I already was approved for the RNY. I fought my insurance for 9 months to get approval for RNY and I was'nt going to fight to get it changed to the Band at that point. I wish I could have had it done. Please, consider it. It just is'nt worth all the pain and potential problems for 50 lbs. Best of luck to you.
   — Danmark

January 24, 2003
I too feel that the effort she would have to put in to GAIN 50 pounds to qualify for this surgery is the same amount of effort she's have to put in to LOSE the 50lbs- just not as "fun" (I say that term loosely as over eating should not ever be considered fun!). However losing weight would not affect your health negatively as gaining that much would. So in my opinion, do not GAIN just to get this surgery, do not risk your health by over eating, and then having this life risking surgery. I would suggest the WW program; or the band if you can afford it.
   — Karen R.

January 24, 2003
Robyn, I have to agree with the others than this surgery is not worth 50 pounds. I doubt you will find an insurance company or for that matter a surgeon even if self-pay to do the surgery on you. You don't say if you have alot of health problems at 200 pounds. Usually you have to have a BMI of 40 or over to qualify or 35 -40 with co-morbidities (health problesms as a result of the weight, like diabetes). I'm sorry you are depressed, perhaps getting on some medication to help with that? Did your mom and sister have BMI's over 40? What have they said to you?
   — Cindy R.

January 24, 2003
I totally understand your feelings. HOWEVER, I think it would be in your best interest to think of a 3 prong approach to this problem. #1: counselling. Talking through issues that you may have will help to ease your stress so the desire to eat will be lessened. #2: Exercise. For the same reason as #1. It helps to ease stress as well as helping to lose weight. #3: A support group of others who are trying to lose weight, I believe Ediets.com has one. You need to focus on a way to lose the weight without considering this drastic measure. Also, as far as antidepressants go, they can make you gin weight. Ask your doctor about ones that don't. Good luck, Carol
   — daisymae

January 24, 2003
I totally understand your feelings. HOWEVER, I think it would be in your best interest to think of a 3 prong approach to this problem. #1: counselling. Talking through issues that you may have will help to ease your stress so the desire to eat will be lessened. #2: Exercise. For the same reason as #1. It helps to ease stress as well as helping to lose weight. #3: A support group of others who are trying to lose weight, I believe Ediets.com has one. You need to focus on a way to lose the weight without considering this drastic measure. Also, as far as antidepressants go, they can make you gin weight. Ask your doctor about ones that don't. Good luck, Carol
   — daisymae

January 24, 2003
Since I had my surgery I have been approacjhed by several people who are at a similar weight as you, Theey are also upset that they cannot have surgery. As one person said "why should I have to be near death to get a surgery to improve my health? " Just because one is "only" 50 pounds overweight doesn't mean that they are not suffering and struggling just like those who are more overweight. It is all reletive to each ones own situation. I know many in the 50 # over who have done WW, atkins, slimfast, Jenny Craig, etc, etc , etc, to lose a little , gain it back as we all know the yo you sundrome. In 10 years they will have dieted up to the weight required for surgery, but will be older, sadder, unhealthier, and have wasted all those years of their lives struggling.
   — **willow**

January 24, 2003
I understand your frustration at being 50 pounds overweight. I know it seems like a lot but if you added another 50 pounds on top of that you could have a heart attack and die! Do not strive to gain the weight that will be bad for you. Don't look at it like you have to lose 50 pounds. Start with a smaller goal. I know that if you just lost 25 pounds you'd feel so much better about yourself honey. I imagine losing 50 pounds seems far out of reach, maybe a bit overwhelming but you know what? I bet 25 pounds doesn't seem so far out of reach, then once you lose that 25 pounds, you're looking great, feeling great, then you'll be in the good habits and lose the rest that you want to lose. Get your mind off of having surgery. It's not meant for you love, don't put your health at risk by having surgery. God Bless, Rachel
   — Rachel O.

January 24, 2003
There's another consideration here: If you had the RNY, you might well find yourself losing weight down to an uncontrollably low and unhealthy level. I agree with the previous poster who said that, unfortunately, lots of people with 50 pounds to lose will keep yo-yo dieting, and struggling, until they wind up joining those of us who eventually became M.O. or Super M.O. So it's understandable why you *don't* want to put yourself through that. But I think it's likely that if folks in the 50-pound loss range started having the RNY, significant numbers of them would wind up grossly underweight and sick from it because they're just not big enough for that kind of procedure to begin with. Maybe some interim solution (another procedure -- dunno about the band? -- or decent medication) will come along to help you before you join the ranks of the M.O. I remember being in your shoes, and dieting and dieting and dieting, and it's no fun. :(
   — Suzy C.

January 24, 2003
Robyn: May I make a few suggestions? You haven't listed your other attempts at weight loss, so forgive me if I tell you something you've tried already. First of all, dealing with depression; many of us overeat when we're depressed, and who isn't depressed when they're overweight at sometime or another? Not all antidepressants cause weight gain! I was prescribed one specifically so that I could curb my appetite-I was unfortuately allergic to it, but did notice a difference in my appetite before I had to stop it. SO, check it out with your doctor- you could feel better, and eat less. Another option is xenical, a perscription medication that inhibits fat absorbtion... it has some unpleasant side effects, such as gas and diahreah, but hey, so does RNY, so if you were willing to take that chance with surgery, why not try the meds? You are good to start working on your weight NOW, before you get to the morbid obesity point, but as hard as it is to lose, your best bet is non-surgical at this stage. And please, don't TRY to gain, not only for the health reasons, but what might only be mild depression at 200lbs, could become much more severe at 250+, and in many cases, insurance companies will require you to have been morbidly obese for FIVE years or longer... that's a very long time!!!! Keep seeking the support of others with weight issues... it helps to talk! and Best of luck to you... hopefully by addressing your problems now, you'll never get to where we are. Good luck.
   — Kelly B.

January 25, 2003
Robyn, I know it hurts to hear that you should not have surgery when you are seeing your family members having quick results with surgery. There are so many things that I'd like to know about you like your age? any kids? Not that it makes a difference but it helps me to understand where you are at in life. I am about 135 pounds over weight. When I was at 50 lbs over if I would have ever thought that this is where I'd be years later, I would have done every thing in my power to lose. I have 2 kids that really contributed to my weight gain. I feel so over the edge that I can not get back to a near normal weight with out surgery. However, I remember being 200 and @ 5'6.5", I really didn't look that bad. At 5'9" you probably really look great. We are usually are own worst critic. Please try not to judge yourself by your mom and sisters weight loss. Especially if you have always been the thinnest and are secretly afaid of being bigger than they are. I can relate to that. Please do consider some thing like weight watchers where you can get support from people who are going through it too. I have tried and lost weight with them but I am now at a point where I hurt so much from the excess weight that I can hardly walk let alone exercise. Unfortunately you will probably not get approved for this. I feel that you have not exhausted all of your options. Feel free to send me an email. Hang in there!
   — kcarie

January 25, 2003
Why would any of you want to add to this person's emotional pain? You have no idea what personal struggles she is facing. She could have a husband, family member or anyone else that has been so critical that her self-esteem is severely damaged. This is supposed to be the Association for Morbid Obesity Support. None of us know what she has faced on a daily basis. Obviously, by her own admission she is depressed. Obese AND OVERWEIGHT people face terrible prejudices in our society. Aren't we all painfully aware of this sad fact? AMOS should be an island of refuge away from emotional abuse. Thank God for the members that gave her a compassionate answer - shame on you that slammed her for asking on open and honest question. Some of you owe her an apology.
   — jnc

January 25, 2003
I meant my answer to be light-hearted and indicative that she wasn't overweight at all in my eyes - an effort to cheer her up. (and I don't appreciate personal emails to my home causing me more hurt than my answer could possibly have given her)
   — cddgo

January 25, 2003
Robyn, keep your chin up. There are a lot of good research in non surgical weight control on the horizon. They've discovered a hormone (Ghrelin) secreted by the stomache that is responsible for increased appetite. Ghrelin also is responsible for the direct storage of fat you consume. Although they've discovered this hormone and it's connection to appetite, they do not yet know how to inhibit its production. They have found that in Post-op Gastric Bypass patients their Ghrelin levels have dropped by 70%. Perhaps this is the result of the stomache being transect and thus not providing stimulus to the Gherlin trigger mechanism in the stomache. In time they may be able to stimulate this effect with drugs or some other method. <p>As for most of us pre-ops here in AMOS we can't afford to wait for that research to bear fruit. Being Super Obese with sleep apnea, I can go any day. Tonight, there could be a Power outage and my CPAP machine cuts off... I stop breathing... my blood pressure skyrockets placing an incredible burden on my oxygen deprived heart... cardiac arrest at the absolutly worse time - at night alone and asleep. I'm not absolutely garunteed to survive the surgery but I am absolutely garunteed to have a power outage at night at some point. <p>Take Care, Be Well, and Be Happy!
   — John T.

January 25, 2003
I know what you are going through, most of us have been there at some point. Please do not try to gain weight for this surgery, because it is true that most insurance companies or surgeons require you to be 100 lbs. or more overweight for more than 3 years to qualify. Please do not have the surgery at your current weight!!! I was considered a light-weight at 243 lbs. and a 45 BMI with co-morbs. I am one year post-op and doing everything I can to stop the weightloss. I only have 6 pounds to lose before I am officially underweight. Being underweight would have sounded great to me when I was heavy, now it's a fight not to die. I almost slipped into my very first coma, due to almost non-existent blood sugar levels just last week. I can get around a little easier, but I have no muscle mass left. I would like to exercise, but I get so weak and tired that I have to stop. I still would have had the surgery at my weight then, but there is no way I would go through this for an extra 50 pounds, and if I did, I might not be alive to tell about it a year later. I don't know what makes you happy in your life, but my husband and son are my everything. I still live with the guilt of what I have put them through this past year, the pain and suffering that they endure every time something else happens to me. My husband and son got to watch me almost die several times in one year. I am 26 years old, and I did this for all the right reasons and some of the stupid ones, I am not attacking you, I am just very concerned. I don't have any great advice for weightloss, I wouldn't have risked everything if I had found something that worked. I do advise talking to someone that can help you evaluate your life, your weight, and your self-worth. I found that you can love yourself alot more at 243 lbs. than 115 lbs., sometimes. It is easier on you emotionally, to be thin in society, but it's alot harder to accept the first time you see your loved one crying at your side wishing it was them instead of you. You are going to have to do alot of soul searching. I wish you the very, very best.
   — Karen E.

January 25, 2003
I'm 5' 9" and my GOAL is a little under 200. I don't know of any doctor anywhere in the world who will approve you for surgery! Hey our recommended weight for our height is somewhere between 169 and 180. So you're 20-40 pounds overweight!!! ANY surgery is not for people who are 20-40 pounds overweight!!!
   — M. B.

January 25, 2003
Hi Robyn, I will probably get blasted for my thoughts as well but I will do my best to put it gently. I think what bothers most of us who have been or are, morbidly obese, is that we all battle serious health complications and fight insurance or even go into debt to have this surgery -- AFTER years of self-loathing and/or depression and discrimination have taken a toll. While your pain is valid and genuine for you, it is harder for some of us to relate to. I wish I had done something when I only had about 50 pounds to lose. It was the last 50 pounds I gained that really made my health go downhill...that's when I developed sleep apnea and high blood pressure, as well as acid reflux disease. Please don't take this the wrong way. Is it possible you have always been the thinner one and now that your mom and sister are doing so well after surgery you feel slightly out of place? I say this from experience, truly. My sister has always been the active thin one, the one who was popular with the boys all the time we were growing up. It bothers her now that I wear smaller jeans than her. One of my dearest friends and I went Christmas shopping last month. She asked me how much I weigh now. When I told her she said "You weigh less than I do." She was then totally bummed for the rest of the day. I love both of these women dearly but the fact that I am now thinner than them doesn't make me think I am better than they are, or that they are less lovable. If they feel threatened it is their issue, not mine. Perhaps the best option right now might be for you to follow an Atkins-type diet, similar to what your mom & sister are eating and to get some exercise with them. You can let their renewed motivation and enthusiasm rub off on you. Talk to them openly and I'm sure they would love to support you in whatever you do! - Anna LAP RNY 7/3/02 -109lbs.
   — Anna L.

January 26, 2003
Some really excellent feedback on the last couple of posts. This is definitely a 'hot' topic. Robin, we would venture to guess that everyone here feels that your biggest hurdle would be to find a compassionate therapist. You can learn to love yourself at any weight! It's the health problems associated with MO that make it medically necessary. I was at my very thinnest when I was 27 years old - 123 lbs. - and in a terrible marriage (NOT to my sweet husband, Thomas). I have never been so miserable, lonely and unhappy as then. Now I'm MO, have some significant health problems but can honestly say I am HAPPY. I posted an interesting question for debate on the Q&A's last night and hopefully it will post sometime. The topic of discussion had to do with why we (or maybe the insurance companies) limit this surgery to the MO.
   — jnc

January 26, 2003
I don't want to add to the controversy, but I am 17 months post op and have a higher BMI that you!!!!. I want to lose another 50 lbs, and I understand that you are depressed, but surgery isn't the answer for you in my oponion. Any wls surgery has real risk and complications, and like alot of other post have said no Dr. would approve you for surgery!!!! My Dr. considers the surgery a success if you reach a BMI of 30, your a little under 30. Please don't think that we are not supporting you, because we do. We all know how it feels to be overweight. The best of luck and please find someone you can talk to that will help you deal with your depression. Depression is curable, it just takes time and effort. Again the best of luck!!!!
   — Jody Diou

January 26, 2003
Robyn, My goal is right where you're at and I'm not as tall as you. I'm 30 now, my lowest adult/teenage weight was just over 200lbs. I know when I was at that lowest weight that I compared myself to my peers who were very thin teenagers of 17,18, 19 years old and felt horribly fat. I had tons of things going for me and just couldn't see it. VP my senior year of high school, boyfriend who was in college, things that not everyone else really had. Yet I just felt "different" I guess. I can NOW look back and see that I looked wonderful. I just wasn't able to see it. I also was at the point you are now. I just couldn't seem to lose anymore no matter what. I gave up on my weight loss for a while and then yo-yo dieted my way up to over 300 lbs and being 100% miserable. When I was looking at my weight when 200 lbs I thought I had almost a hundred to lose to be "normal". I was waaaay off on that. And it IS depressing to think of yourself as so very far from normal. Now I look at things differently. Obviously how each of us see things makes a huge difference. For me, I now feel that I was never meant to way much below 200. And its true, officially my goal should be about 170 with WLS. Looking back at myself at that 200 pounds, besides wishing I could have saw myself as I was and accepted it, I wish I had realized that I could have had a tummy tuck back then. That was one of my hugest issues with my body and I thought that losing weight was the only way. The truth is though that my stomach was where I stored most of my fat, it was the last place I'd ever lose, and even at goal I would have problems with it and have needed it done. For me I had to have it done while still heavy for medical reasons. But its made a huge difference in my look and how I feel about myself. I wished I realized back then that I had options besides yo-yo dieting. If I were there as a friend I'd throw away the scales and help you find help to deal with body image. Until you can really see yourself, the scale is more of an enemy than a tool. And I can guarantee if you were to gain 50 + pounds to have surgery you'd look back at yourself and see things a lot differently than you do now. I hope I've made some sense. If you want to talk you can email me.
   — Shelly S.

November 15, 2005
Hi, It is not necessarily true that one has to have a BMI of 35 or more. My BMI was not as high as that and I was still approved by Medicare because of the number and severity of co-morbidities. You hadn't mentioned, do you have co-morbidities, i.e. significant health probems which are seriously affected by your weight? It does appear that you would have difficulty with your particular height and weight though. I understand that you would rather have WLS than use diet and exercise out of fear that this doesn't seem initially to work as well. However, remember, that, a year or so after WLS, you will still having to be watching your food intake and being certain to exercise. WLS is not a magic bullet. There are folks who have WLS who do not dump from sugar or fats so it becomes a matter of willpower anyway to maintain your weight loss.
   — cokijan2

March 6, 2009
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   — trinity P.




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