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msamore
on 9/28/11 12:53 am - McClure, PA
Topic: RE: Type 1 diabetic-what to eat for lows
This is a question plaguing me since my surgery 2 weeks ago. I am astounded by the attitude I have encountered from the health care professionals regarding how to treat a low.

I have DMII but have been taking insulin for 20 years and on a pump for about 8 of those. After surgery, it took a couple of days before they gave me back control and let me use my pump again. My sugars had been running in the 130s, and I kept taking a couple of units to get it into my goal range of 80-120. Then the next time the nurse checked, I was at 80. Sure, this is in the normal range, but it could still be dropping. I asked the nurse for some apple juice, and she blew me off with "You can't have sugar." End of discussion. No alternative given. All I could do was turn off my basal delivery and hope I didn't continue to drop. I think a more appropriate response would have been, "let's test again in 10 minutes, and then do X if it is still dropping." But she did not give me a clue what "X" would be.

Later when I saw my doctor (a fellow), she also poo-pooed my 80 blood sugar as normal. I had to get through to her "what if it were 60?...Then what would I do?" It seemed like she had never considered this. She had to talk to other doctors and get back to me. Her response was somewhat convoluted, but I took away that I should turn off my pump and adjust down as needed, avoiding lows. The result is that I'm always running high.

Yesterday I saw the head of the department, and told him about the incident in the hospital. He likewise denigrated my concerns and said the nurse did the right thing. I was really ticked.

Concluding that these people know nothing about diabetes, I went back to my pump last night and am managing my blood sugars as I was taught by the diabetes professionals.

I'm wondering if I could use the gel glucose if I have a low. I understand it is absorbed through the mouth and does not need to be swallowed.
 Polly         
msamore
on 9/28/11 12:28 am - McClure, PA
Topic: RE: Question for Type 2's who use insulin and who had RNY
I had surgery 9/15/11. Have lost a net 10 lbs since (not counting the 5 lb gain and loss caused by surgery). I don't know what normal is.
 Polly         
charb149
on 9/27/11 11:25 pm
Topic: Type 2 diebeties
 Hi I have a surgery date in Oct. I recently called my Endocrinologist. H advised me to call when I got my date. I am on Metformin, Novolog (meal time insulin), and Lantis`(24 hr ). He wants me to stop the Novolog when on protein drinks, After surgery drop everything. 
When you had surgery did you go off all meds right away? Doesn't make sense to me.

Thanks all

Claudia
                            
Lauren1979
on 9/25/11 11:17 pm - Holden, MA
Topic: RE: postprandial hypoglycemia
 That is what dumping syndrome is. For me even with strict diet of low to no carbs I have extreme swings in blood sugar That did not happen the first 3 years then out of nowhere it got really bad. I can eat chicken and salad and my BS goes to 200....so aweful. 

"Life is way to short to live in the past" and "keep your feet on the ground while reaching for the stars"

(deactivated member)
on 9/25/11 9:08 am - Woodbridge, VA
Topic: RE: postprandial hypoglycemia
Most people (RNY or no) find a low-carb diet to be key in controlling reactive hypoglycemia. The glucose spike and resulting surge of insulin is usually caused by carbs, not just any food. Many have the misconception that only SUGAR is dangerous, but for most folks with these types of issues, it's essentially any carbs, including whole grains, potatoes, fruits, etc.
Lauren1979
on 9/23/11 11:38 pm - Holden, MA
Topic: RE: postprandial hypoglycemia
  RNY is what causes this. MY food is going into the small intestines way to fast and causes the BS to go way up and then pancreas overreacts and it crashes. It doesn't matter what I eat, I can eat meat and low glycemic value veggies only and it goes up to 175 or higher every time.Problem is most pts with RNY that get these symptoms have small insulin producing tumors caused by rapid weight loss. Actually the cure usually is partial removal of the pancreas. This is all new to medicine, maybe 5 years now, only a handful of Dr's are researching postprandial hypoglycemia in post surgery patients. My case is so severe that I can't eat and drive or feel comfortable being home alone with my children. Also work is out of the question because I have lows so often that caring for my patients isn't wise. I can't wait to go to Boston. I know that MD has different medicines to try. Hopefully I don't need to have some of my pancreas removed, but most endo Dr.s have no clue what to do with patients like me...so if anyone has this happening thing of looking for someone that knows how to treat it...I felt like my endo's guinea pig and nothing she tried worked.

"Life is way to short to live in the past" and "keep your feet on the ground while reaching for the stars"

Catapult
on 9/23/11 7:24 pm - Australia
Topic: RE: postprandial hypoglycemia
I am not sure about RNY but BGLs over 200 after eating is way too high for a non-D or D. Are you eating low GI foods or does that not matter if you have RNY?

What happens in people (without RNY) is that if you eat high GI foods, the carbs are absorbed quickly and the body makes a truck load of insulin to deal with the increase in BGL. Then because there is too much insulin, the BGL crashes after. The treatment for reactive  hypoglycaemia like that is to stick to a low GI diet. Not sure how that works with the RNY bit.

Hope this explanation helps. I HIGHLY doubt they would remove a portion of your pancreas.

Cat.
        
charb149
on 9/22/11 2:03 am
Topic: RE: Question for Type 2's who use insulin and who had RNY
 I am scheduled for surgery and called my Dr. today(Endocrinologist). He wants me to take only Lantus at night time, and Metformin. Once I have my surgery 10/24. he wants me to stop everything. I am type 2.
Lauren1979
on 9/21/11 6:15 am - Holden, MA
Topic: RE: Blood sugar reaction to fruit post surgery
 let you surgeon/endo know know... it could be postprandial hypoglycemia. I have it very bad and it started off slow...

"Life is way to short to live in the past" and "keep your feet on the ground while reaching for the stars"

Lauren1979
on 9/21/11 6:09 am - Holden, MA
Topic: postprandial hypoglycemia
 So for me it has been three and a half years since RNY. Down 160 lbs. Never had blood sugar issues when I was 330 plus pounds. Just delivered a healthy baby girl in July...during my pregnancy was my first complication of surgery...or so I thought. It started with me feeling dizzy in the shower and getting real hungry when this happened. I went to my obgyn and she did fasting glucose and A1C. Fasting was 77 and A1C was a wonderful 5.2. I was still getting these feelings of light headedness. The episodes started getting closer together and more severe. At work one day I felt off...just didnt feel myself so I had my clinical lead(I work in a medical office) take my BS...ummmmyeah it was only 39. I had eaten an hour before that...so I was confused.  I called my OBGYN who immediatly set me up with an endo DR. In the mean time my mom,who has Type II and doesnt check her BS let me borrow her meter... well I would be 60 before eating and w/i an hour of eating my BS would be well over 200...then and hour after that it would be in the 30-40 range. Endo Dr started treating me with insulin to keep my sugars from going high and causeing my pancreas to over react. It worked during my pregnancy. Now things are all over the place and my endo as no clue how to treat it. I finally convinced her I need to go to Joslin Diabetes Center in Boston that has a person that specializes in these BS issues in post surgery patients... Hope I dont need to have my pancreas partially removed...I guess this is becoming a complication for people without diabtes before suregery. Anyone else have any advice for this type of BS issue? I changed my diet so much I lost 6 lbs in one week while pregnant. SO that is under check!!

"Life is way to short to live in the past" and "keep your feet on the ground while reaching for the stars"

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