flame me if you want but i have something to say-warning-long!
i wasn't going to say anything- i was going to hold it in...but those of you who know me know it is not in my being to do so...and if i don't say something now while it is fresh i will let it fester and it will get ugly (uglier) so here goes......
when i have said my piece; i will go about the business of trying to price things for the yard sale-and i may not be on here posting for a bit--no--i'm not taking my toys and leaving...not even threatening to....i just think that i maybe need a breather as a few others feel that they do as well....some days we aren't smart enough to realize it til we have said something we shouldn't have so i am trying to temper my "speech"....
obesity help -OH--is for support of anyone who is obese was obese could be obese has a friend neighbor or loved one who is obese--you get the picture-- -it's not just for wls patients--it's been around a lot longer than 99% of you who are reading this post....it was originally called AMOS -refresh me darlene/janet---( an di say darkene and janet because i think the three of us -and maybe carla are the ranking oldsters who post regularly here--there are others who iam sure lurk) association for morbid obesity support --something like that- close enough....and it was run by wonderful wonderful people- there were very few ads and it was like family on most of the boards-and there were only a few boards......the boards ran a continuos thing the newest on top - most of us didn't have pictures at first ...but the love and understanding were there....most of the ppl who were on any of the boards took their journeys very very serioulsy and they worked hard at whatever they accomplished....many of us were angels to folks and it meant something- the first person i angelled (before my surgery!) died before she went home from the hospital--don't think that was an easy one to swallow...i angelled for our jeanb...and that was one of the most wonderful things that i got from this board --a true sister to my own heart---there was Momma Angel who wanted wls but couldn't have it- she signed everyone's surgery page and made sure no one went into surgery without blessings...and she died a few years back...wonderful woman--go to my surgery page on my profile to see her picture... a sweetheart...and vickie- OMG--a wonderful gal who fought for years for approval--and almost died.... she's healthy and active and living in toledo still i think...anyhow i digress....
Dr Monica Ganz (darlene referrd to her today) was one of the folks who worked for AMOS and later for OH--she herself was a wls patient and worked very hard to get the initial support leaders groups going-- i was able to attend the very first training session in LA (2004) and that was when i met darlene- our special blondie-- for the first time- those were special times ---that OH conference was one of the first and it was awesome- Kirk aka Crow and Amy Willaims and BO (mc Coy?) --our own windy pat and sally tea lady and jeannie granola (granata) were my gang while we were there-debra ruth and sherry were there - who else? Colleen Koch spoke- oh that woman can speak-susan maria was just launching her biz and her book was fresh and the samples were flowing.... Caroline Martin was there snapping pics at everyone- did any of you ever read her story? see her pics???talk about loose skin....again i digress...
the support leader groups have changed and i am not so sure that i like some of the direction they have gone in...i am generalizing-not talking about annette's or susan's -pat r's is not an OH group i don't think? i gave up my group (debbie lisk and i were co leaders in toledo area ) at the time some of the changes were coming in...couldn't morally deal with them so i left--
but i have stayed here- and i am not always the most popular person here- i am stubborn and hard headed - i think that's a trait darlene and i share- we also share compassion and caring for others and wanting to share proper knowledge--- ...she and i don't always agree about everything and have been known to have our claws out a bit too far ---and usually it's not about anything wls related...just life....but deep down she and i are on many of the same tracks.....
but this post isn't about darlene- exactly..only in part.....
i came to AMOS/OH in the fall of 2003 when i was seeking ins approval-- my best friend found me thru OH....and i have lost her and it hurts...(carla knows about this issue ) . i have probly stayed way longer than i should have- i struggle daily with food choices and wanting to get my head back into the business of working the tool i was given....i come here when michael is sick or hurt or when i am happy or when i am down...i come here for moral support and i try to give it whenever i can...i try to be a friend....i've been surprised by people writing to me when i have had a positive effect on their lives and didn't know it ...i have had opportunities thru this board to meet the most awesome folks in person--well many of them--there are still many on my "bucket list" ...i listen to your whining and you listen to my *****ing..i cry for you and i laugh with you ...i cheer for you and your kids and your grands....i pray for you and i know some of you don't like to hear about prayer..but i do it because for me it is right....this group is my family...you have become closer to me than my own family-and maybe that is unhealthy....but you understand what i am going thru- with my weight loss/eating/meds/vits/ work/ hubby /economy etc etc...so i come back.....
most recently, our OFF family has had two very big blows- linda s has her tremors and vitamin issues which are quite more serious than many of you realize and connie broke her hip ( how many of you know that we have two (@) gals named Boo on this board ????? connie and maryann long ......how many of you know that we have two (2) connie d's on this board???? connie who broke her hip and connie d from california who is missed at least by me!!! sorry- digressing again with trivia this time.....
so--what is the point i am trying to make??? well- i don't wanna hurt feelings but i am going to be specific....and it may hurt some feelings and i am sorry tho i feel that i have to do this....again- flame me if you must--- yesterday, brenda posted that she had heard from linda...repeat BRENDA posted that she had heard from LINDA---DARLENE spoke about vits and I (MARGO)spoke to her- she replied to me and JAN C got involved in the conversation...ok first--people--this is soooooooooooooooo important--you cannot know until you have dealt with the issues and it scares the hell --not "h-e -double hockey sticks"- the hell --outta me..........karen s posted some wonderful info and others commented about their own situations...today LINDA gets upset because WE were talking on HER thread....well- i am really sorry but i sure don't know where else the conversation could have been held without starting a thread like i am doing now.yes; the thread was ABOUT linda- and ppl sending well wishes and hopes for better health...and it was ABOUT vitamin deficiency and it did stray away to be about OH and etc...but for goodness sakes--how many of us stray away from the original topic in our threads???? just brenda alone should be penalized for straying if we did that ( brenda i love you and you know it!!!) --look how many ways i strayed in this thread!!!!! AND we were talking about the importance of info that gets sent out by docs etc... so many of you have the most ill informed docs and nuts i have ever heard of--ok- that was harsh but i truly am amazed at the lack of info that is being given out--the "puppy mill" attitude that is now happening in the wls field....not by ALL docs or nuts but by too many....and ppl believing everything they read on these boards without checking things out...
linda s--i am truly sorry that you were hurt by what darlene and jan c and i were saying on YOUR Thread..it will NOT happen again. what you are experiencing is truly serious and i wonder if you haven't been in denial about some of the other issues that you have had to deal with - falling etc..maybe it is all tied together and i truly pray that any damage is repairable and that you are able to get back to your sweet self cuz you are loved here ....
ok- i think i have said all i wanted to say-and probly way more than i should have but ya know, i had to get it out.......is anybody still here?????
i'm sending hugs and prayers and also putting on my titanium panties.....thanks for listening.....
when i have said my piece; i will go about the business of trying to price things for the yard sale-and i may not be on here posting for a bit--no--i'm not taking my toys and leaving...not even threatening to....i just think that i maybe need a breather as a few others feel that they do as well....some days we aren't smart enough to realize it til we have said something we shouldn't have so i am trying to temper my "speech"....
obesity help -OH--is for support of anyone who is obese was obese could be obese has a friend neighbor or loved one who is obese--you get the picture-- -it's not just for wls patients--it's been around a lot longer than 99% of you who are reading this post....it was originally called AMOS -refresh me darlene/janet---( an di say darkene and janet because i think the three of us -and maybe carla are the ranking oldsters who post regularly here--there are others who iam sure lurk) association for morbid obesity support --something like that- close enough....and it was run by wonderful wonderful people- there were very few ads and it was like family on most of the boards-and there were only a few boards......the boards ran a continuos thing the newest on top - most of us didn't have pictures at first ...but the love and understanding were there....most of the ppl who were on any of the boards took their journeys very very serioulsy and they worked hard at whatever they accomplished....many of us were angels to folks and it meant something- the first person i angelled (before my surgery!) died before she went home from the hospital--don't think that was an easy one to swallow...i angelled for our jeanb...and that was one of the most wonderful things that i got from this board --a true sister to my own heart---there was Momma Angel who wanted wls but couldn't have it- she signed everyone's surgery page and made sure no one went into surgery without blessings...and she died a few years back...wonderful woman--go to my surgery page on my profile to see her picture... a sweetheart...and vickie- OMG--a wonderful gal who fought for years for approval--and almost died.... she's healthy and active and living in toledo still i think...anyhow i digress....
Dr Monica Ganz (darlene referrd to her today) was one of the folks who worked for AMOS and later for OH--she herself was a wls patient and worked very hard to get the initial support leaders groups going-- i was able to attend the very first training session in LA (2004) and that was when i met darlene- our special blondie-- for the first time- those were special times ---that OH conference was one of the first and it was awesome- Kirk aka Crow and Amy Willaims and BO (mc Coy?) --our own windy pat and sally tea lady and jeannie granola (granata) were my gang while we were there-debra ruth and sherry were there - who else? Colleen Koch spoke- oh that woman can speak-susan maria was just launching her biz and her book was fresh and the samples were flowing.... Caroline Martin was there snapping pics at everyone- did any of you ever read her story? see her pics???talk about loose skin....again i digress...
the support leader groups have changed and i am not so sure that i like some of the direction they have gone in...i am generalizing-not talking about annette's or susan's -pat r's is not an OH group i don't think? i gave up my group (debbie lisk and i were co leaders in toledo area ) at the time some of the changes were coming in...couldn't morally deal with them so i left--
but i have stayed here- and i am not always the most popular person here- i am stubborn and hard headed - i think that's a trait darlene and i share- we also share compassion and caring for others and wanting to share proper knowledge--- ...she and i don't always agree about everything and have been known to have our claws out a bit too far ---and usually it's not about anything wls related...just life....but deep down she and i are on many of the same tracks.....
but this post isn't about darlene- exactly..only in part.....
i came to AMOS/OH in the fall of 2003 when i was seeking ins approval-- my best friend found me thru OH....and i have lost her and it hurts...(carla knows about this issue ) . i have probly stayed way longer than i should have- i struggle daily with food choices and wanting to get my head back into the business of working the tool i was given....i come here when michael is sick or hurt or when i am happy or when i am down...i come here for moral support and i try to give it whenever i can...i try to be a friend....i've been surprised by people writing to me when i have had a positive effect on their lives and didn't know it ...i have had opportunities thru this board to meet the most awesome folks in person--well many of them--there are still many on my "bucket list" ...i listen to your whining and you listen to my *****ing..i cry for you and i laugh with you ...i cheer for you and your kids and your grands....i pray for you and i know some of you don't like to hear about prayer..but i do it because for me it is right....this group is my family...you have become closer to me than my own family-and maybe that is unhealthy....but you understand what i am going thru- with my weight loss/eating/meds/vits/ work/ hubby /economy etc etc...so i come back.....
most recently, our OFF family has had two very big blows- linda s has her tremors and vitamin issues which are quite more serious than many of you realize and connie broke her hip ( how many of you know that we have two (@) gals named Boo on this board ????? connie and maryann long ......how many of you know that we have two (2) connie d's on this board???? connie who broke her hip and connie d from california who is missed at least by me!!! sorry- digressing again with trivia this time.....
so--what is the point i am trying to make??? well- i don't wanna hurt feelings but i am going to be specific....and it may hurt some feelings and i am sorry tho i feel that i have to do this....again- flame me if you must--- yesterday, brenda posted that she had heard from linda...repeat BRENDA posted that she had heard from LINDA---DARLENE spoke about vits and I (MARGO)spoke to her- she replied to me and JAN C got involved in the conversation...ok first--people--this is soooooooooooooooo important--you cannot know until you have dealt with the issues and it scares the hell --not "h-e -double hockey sticks"- the hell --outta me..........karen s posted some wonderful info and others commented about their own situations...today LINDA gets upset because WE were talking on HER thread....well- i am really sorry but i sure don't know where else the conversation could have been held without starting a thread like i am doing now.yes; the thread was ABOUT linda- and ppl sending well wishes and hopes for better health...and it was ABOUT vitamin deficiency and it did stray away to be about OH and etc...but for goodness sakes--how many of us stray away from the original topic in our threads???? just brenda alone should be penalized for straying if we did that ( brenda i love you and you know it!!!) --look how many ways i strayed in this thread!!!!! AND we were talking about the importance of info that gets sent out by docs etc... so many of you have the most ill informed docs and nuts i have ever heard of--ok- that was harsh but i truly am amazed at the lack of info that is being given out--the "puppy mill" attitude that is now happening in the wls field....not by ALL docs or nuts but by too many....and ppl believing everything they read on these boards without checking things out...
linda s--i am truly sorry that you were hurt by what darlene and jan c and i were saying on YOUR Thread..it will NOT happen again. what you are experiencing is truly serious and i wonder if you haven't been in denial about some of the other issues that you have had to deal with - falling etc..maybe it is all tied together and i truly pray that any damage is repairable and that you are able to get back to your sweet self cuz you are loved here ....
ok- i think i have said all i wanted to say-and probly way more than i should have but ya know, i had to get it out.......is anybody still here?????
i'm sending hugs and prayers and also putting on my titanium panties.....thanks for listening.....
I get up every morning determined to both change the world and have one hell of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning my day difficult.
- E. B. White
I put on my big girl panties,everyone needs to take warning. I think I escaped some things,and will not take my vits for granted anymore,nor my friends.
Hugs!! I am sorry and you guys scared the crap out of me.
If we do not take care of each other,who will???
Thank you,a special thanks to you and Darlene.
Hugs!! I am sorry and you guys scared the crap out of me.
If we do not take care of each other,who will???
Thank you,a special thanks to you and Darlene.
WHAT WE FEAR,WE CREATE.
I don't know much about all of you except that you seemed to have a great rapport. I qualify to post here but just visit this board occassionally. I am so glad you all have communicated and got things worked out. That's why we all post on these boards. We are trying to connect and communicate with ones that not only understand and care about us but can help too.
With 
I will succeed.
HW: 280 - LW: 190 - GW - 180
Unfilled 8/15/11 - WT: 209
1st Fill 11/29/11 - WT: 215.5 - 3cc
2/20/12 - New Goal - Get n Onederland
2nd Fill 4/26/12 - WT: 224.0 - 3cc
Z
Margo,
While I am late to this post, I did see that Linda got upset and I think she was just scared at what happened to herself and doing what many folks do when scared, lash out at the ones we love. . .
I love you and I love many of the peeps who post on this forum and I respect all for the simple fact that they are on the same journey as I am and we have a need to respect our differences as well as our commonalities!
If you and the "oldtimers" on here were not, how would I have gotten the information I so often have needed to hear and rehear. What you say about vitamins is the absolute truth and I am not, nor have I yet ever taken the liberty of thinking that I can go without them!
I've shared this before and I will once more, remember that drinking too much caffeine depletes your body of vitamins, it is a direutic and what I believe to be one of the contributors to what caused my cousin to develop neuropathy and subsequently her death, two years after having had successful gastric by-pass. Having had this tradegy touch me personally, I am ever mindful about the importance of vitamins and getting in decaffienated fluids regularly, not saying I don't love my coffee/tea, but I limit myself to what I take and so far my vitamin levels have been good.
Thank you to you and Darlene and the many others who make this a supportive and informative place to come!
Love, Laureen
While I am late to this post, I did see that Linda got upset and I think she was just scared at what happened to herself and doing what many folks do when scared, lash out at the ones we love. . .
I love you and I love many of the peeps who post on this forum and I respect all for the simple fact that they are on the same journey as I am and we have a need to respect our differences as well as our commonalities!
If you and the "oldtimers" on here were not, how would I have gotten the information I so often have needed to hear and rehear. What you say about vitamins is the absolute truth and I am not, nor have I yet ever taken the liberty of thinking that I can go without them!
I've shared this before and I will once more, remember that drinking too much caffeine depletes your body of vitamins, it is a direutic and what I believe to be one of the contributors to what caused my cousin to develop neuropathy and subsequently her death, two years after having had successful gastric by-pass. Having had this tradegy touch me personally, I am ever mindful about the importance of vitamins and getting in decaffienated fluids regularly, not saying I don't love my coffee/tea, but I limit myself to what I take and so far my vitamin levels have been good.
Thank you to you and Darlene and the many others who make this a supportive and informative place to come!
Love, Laureen
My Mantra is that I do not determine my success by the number hanging in my closet, nor will I let the scale determine that success either. . . It is through trial and error I will continue to grow and succeed. . . Laureen
"Success is a journey, not a destination." Ben Sweetland
laureen...i know linda was lashing in fear and etc and i do respect that-- this post was aimed at linda as well as anyone else who needed to read it!!!! does that make sense???? it was not designe dto be a linda bash!!! she is too high on my list for that!!!!
the caffeine thing- when i was fresh out of surgery i drank that roco mojo crapola so as not to even have decaf!! gosh that was horrid!! i am guilty of enjoying my coffee-high test but i also have cut waaaaaay back due to the leaching it does- as well as the iron issue that it creates-the plasma donation brought my iron issue to light and i am thankful for that even tho i *****ed every time it was low!!! ( usually it was only 1 point low which made me madder than if it were say 5 points!! so close yet so far away kindof thing!!) ...
keep pluggin away -you have done such a tremendous job in so many ways...i am proud to call you sista --and miss the hugs we exchanged!!!!
the caffeine thing- when i was fresh out of surgery i drank that roco mojo crapola so as not to even have decaf!! gosh that was horrid!! i am guilty of enjoying my coffee-high test but i also have cut waaaaaay back due to the leaching it does- as well as the iron issue that it creates-the plasma donation brought my iron issue to light and i am thankful for that even tho i *****ed every time it was low!!! ( usually it was only 1 point low which made me madder than if it were say 5 points!! so close yet so far away kindof thing!!) ...
keep pluggin away -you have done such a tremendous job in so many ways...i am proud to call you sista --and miss the hugs we exchanged!!!!
I get up every morning determined to both change the world and have one hell of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning my day difficult.
- E. B. White
Margo,
I think your post was right on and I know it was not all about Linda, it was informative on the way this board started and for me, coming from my background (that of an AA member in good standing for the last almost 22 years), accepting and participating in support is a key component to a successful journey, which is why the knowledge that you, Darlene and so many others here is important and why you are needed, a good portion of what I've learned I've gotten from this forum, as well as, just because I am the person I am, a person who does not act on impluse, but rather researches, I sought out and learned a lot before I made a decision to do WLS and I am in agreement that in some ways WLS has become a bit too cookie cutter with some surgerons not stressing the importance of what needs to be done over a lifetime post-surgery, you'd be surprised (or not) about the people who come to my support group meetings, because we include anyone who needs support, no matter the surgeon they had, not only that, but we have a nutritionist at every support group meeting, and some don't even know how much protein they are supposed to have. . . anyway, you keep on pluggin away and be confident that your knowledge is most definitely needed here! You are loved by many, forget the few who are mis or uninformed as to the true nature of what you have to give here!
Hugs, Laureen
My Mantra is that I do not determine my success by the number hanging in my closet, nor will I let the scale determine that success either. . . It is through trial and error I will continue to grow and succeed. . . Laureen
"Success is a journey, not a destination." Ben Sweetland
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