OOPS!! Sorry

I am sorry that some of you folk think I was stating that some things are immoral. That isn't what I was doing. 
I was honestly trying to think how our founding fathers might have thought of those things when I made that post yesterday.
My beliefs are strong,  but they are just that,   MY  beliefs.   I do not try to impose those on anyone else.
Hope everyone has a great day!!!

No worries, Yoyo. I appreciate I was able to say my piece and that you could say yours.

My husband is a HUGE history guy, loves it, reads about it, and watches mostly the history channel. He is also doing lots of research for his dissertation and just wrote a candidacy paper. Note I said, he did, not me.
Anyway, he told me that one thing researchers say is not to assume what someone thought (back in history and I guess that could apply to anytime) but only to go by what they actually said or did.

I was just thinking yesterday that I had never really heard much about what our forefathers actually said on those topics. Also that Sally Hemmings, a slave, did bear some children by Thomas Jefferson. So many issues with that whole thing, don't want to even go there. Just wanted to say that I personally don't know what those guys actually said about some of those topics and that I'm not sure those topics you named were burning social issues at that time. And if we did talk about it with them now, might be surprised as to what they had to say.....

Wasn't trying to attack or hurt, just felt very strongly and had to speak up or stew all day.

Cheryl

Edited to add a sentence I forgot.

All is good!   and I do agree with you that we don't necessarily know for sure what they felt  or thought about some things>

You're right that we don't know what they thought.  I can tell you with certaintity that they didn't think much of women, hence the women not even mentioned in the consitution.  We also know that  rape wasn't a moral subject for them, since most of them raped black women on a daily basis and sold the children they concieved by raping said black women.  I'm sure homosexuality was just as big then as now but if they had come out, they could have risked being burned at the stake like the witches, *****ally weren't witches but were women from families who had money so those women and men were accused of witchery just so those religious folk back then could get their hands on the land of those people who were supposedly witches.  Abortion, well, they didn't really give a hoot about children, since they routinely sold the babies of black women without a thought about who was going to look after the toddler once it was taken from the old women from the plantation, because the young women certainly were not allowed to look after their own children. 

Yeah, our founding fathers were a bunch of outstanding men.  I failed to mention what they did to the Natives of this land, but we know pretty much what happened there.  So to assume that they had good thoughts about humainity, well, I'd say they were all a bunch of criminals. 

Jeannie, thanks for that info, you said much of the stuff I was thinking but just didn't feel up to getting into( and you are so much more articulate than I am)...my husband and I discussed those things you talked about in your post here yesterday. My mention of Sally Hemmings was part of that...


Edited to add: and besides just being articulate you are fearless and smart.

You guys are doing great! I just wanted to add a post script.Sally's Black decendants had DNA testing that proves they were Jefferson's...carry on...smile!

You are so very right Linda. They were also on the Today Show a couple of years ago!

And...Sally was a child and was a slave so let's just say that sex with Jefferson was not consensual. 

Yes, exactly! It was also suspected that Jefferson's father- in- law may have also had non consensual sex with Sally's mother, so sounds like this just kept going on and on...the pain those children and women went through.

Right, and might I add that women still might have had abortions back then, but they were underground and many women died or were maimed by those abortions. As far as birth control went, a woman had no say over her body.