Strange situation or is it me??
I see this with men more than women and I have NO idea why men need to brag about how much of what they can eat after they have made a thousand promises to just be able to lose the wt, please, and live a normal life.
It seems odd to me. I kinda wonder. Am I sposta be impressed that someone with even my surgery can eat their way back up to morbid? Or that some choose to eat non-stop and consume sugar, when they know I am very careful?
I take that home in my brain. Yes, he can eat all that and nothing happens. As in, no more wt is lost. I enjoy my food and eat more like a normie than a fresh postie, for sure, but I've never felt a need to say, "HEY! looky me! I'm still a pig! (as if I ever was)". I just wonder if while they're watching me eat with care and holding 100% EWL that they compare "I eat it all and still need to lose 50-100 and she eats normally and holds her wt loss".
What I get is, "Oh, you're so good!" Like I'm a goody two shoes or something. I think perhaps I have more fear of regain or my MO health conditions? And it's not so much 10# I'm afraid of but 10=20=50=150 and I don't ever want to feel like that again (co-morbs).
Following the program. Unless he had your same doc, he MIGHT be following his program. I've certainly seen many who tell their patients to "go and eat normally", meaning healthy food, healthy portions, (not junk) but not necessarily holding back. That's the belief system-- that all we needed was a lil volume control.
Well, whatever. The program I follow is more restrictive in the beginning than most, but simpler as time goes on than most I've seen, as well.
I suspect I am not following what you would see as "the program", as put out by your office and I'm sure you wouldn't be following mine. It's not so good to actually just say "non-compliant (to what?)" or "not following the program", because many ARE following their protocol. But the protocol itself is bad. In that case, it's not any kind of a character flaw.
I've seen people want to reverse their surgery because they couldn't live with their program. One lady wanted CHICKEN so badly! Well, why the heck was that a no-no food??? But her RD told her no chicken, get her protein via milk (which is forbidden on my program). Topsy turvy to my eyes. Needless to say, our results and our degree of satisfaction are very different.
It seems odd to me. I kinda wonder. Am I sposta be impressed that someone with even my surgery can eat their way back up to morbid? Or that some choose to eat non-stop and consume sugar, when they know I am very careful?
I take that home in my brain. Yes, he can eat all that and nothing happens. As in, no more wt is lost. I enjoy my food and eat more like a normie than a fresh postie, for sure, but I've never felt a need to say, "HEY! looky me! I'm still a pig! (as if I ever was)". I just wonder if while they're watching me eat with care and holding 100% EWL that they compare "I eat it all and still need to lose 50-100 and she eats normally and holds her wt loss".
What I get is, "Oh, you're so good!" Like I'm a goody two shoes or something. I think perhaps I have more fear of regain or my MO health conditions? And it's not so much 10# I'm afraid of but 10=20=50=150 and I don't ever want to feel like that again (co-morbs).
Following the program. Unless he had your same doc, he MIGHT be following his program. I've certainly seen many who tell their patients to "go and eat normally", meaning healthy food, healthy portions, (not junk) but not necessarily holding back. That's the belief system-- that all we needed was a lil volume control.
Well, whatever. The program I follow is more restrictive in the beginning than most, but simpler as time goes on than most I've seen, as well.
I suspect I am not following what you would see as "the program", as put out by your office and I'm sure you wouldn't be following mine. It's not so good to actually just say "non-compliant (to what?)" or "not following the program", because many ARE following their protocol. But the protocol itself is bad. In that case, it's not any kind of a character flaw.
I've seen people want to reverse their surgery because they couldn't live with their program. One lady wanted CHICKEN so badly! Well, why the heck was that a no-no food??? But her RD told her no chicken, get her protein via milk (which is forbidden on my program). Topsy turvy to my eyes. Needless to say, our results and our degree of satisfaction are very different.
Michelle
RNY, distal, 10/5/94
P.S. My year + long absence has NOTHING to do with my WLS, or my type of WLS. See my profile.
Funny you bring this up Debbie, about negativity because this past week that is all I have been getting. This is what I am hearing even at the support group oh everyone gains the weight back, it really doesn't work, OMG Don't ever eat carbs you will be fat again fast, why would you do this to yourself, I mean I can't stand it anymore, why can't people just let us learn and get healthy, and enjoy our new lives, you keep doing what your doing Debbie and you will be fine, sure we have to watch and be careful but the right choices are there for us, don't listen to that man.
Hugs Gail
Hugs Gail
Aloha Rosey.....What an interesting post and answers!
On Maui, the Kaiser bariatric program was LONG and very educational at least a year before we actually had the surgery. I think we had to have 26 hours of classes, meetings with shrink, and doctor before they would schedule us for surgery.
So, we knew exactly what to eat, what not to eat, and when to reenter certain foods in our diet. I followed my program very strictly and wrote down everything I ate for the first two years. Now, at over three years out, I find I CAN eat almost anything without physical problems, but I just no longer crave sugary treats, or fatty foods...thank heavens!! I do eat sugarfree candy, skinny cow ice cream sandwiches and lots of nuts and dried fruits for snacks, and I never feel deprived.
The psychologist in me is always curious about those people who brag about being able to eat so and so very early on after surgery. We had a woman who had the stomach banding who came to our support group bragging that she can "eat anything" at two weeks out. Well...long story short......she is still very heavy and blames her surgeon!! Hello!!!
We are all so different, and that's part of what I love about this group. I seem to be one of those in the group that loses too much and really have to focus on eating MORE good food to get it back up. If I'm doing something that is very engrossing, like babysitting my three little grandsons.....I can easily lose 10 lbs. in a week!! Right now I can't afford to lose 10 lbs. as I'm 157 and should really be 165 because I'm 5'11" and my bones protrude on my upper body at this weight. I am thankful that my "Gracie" won't let me eat very much usually...and when I feel full, I quit. I might eat again a hour later, but I can almost feel when one more bite will put me over the toilet........amazing journey this is!!
I actually feel sorry for that man, and others who try and "trick" the program. Somehow they must have a need to fail......and a need to brag about that!
Aloha nui loa,
Maui Karen
On Maui, the Kaiser bariatric program was LONG and very educational at least a year before we actually had the surgery. I think we had to have 26 hours of classes, meetings with shrink, and doctor before they would schedule us for surgery.
So, we knew exactly what to eat, what not to eat, and when to reenter certain foods in our diet. I followed my program very strictly and wrote down everything I ate for the first two years. Now, at over three years out, I find I CAN eat almost anything without physical problems, but I just no longer crave sugary treats, or fatty foods...thank heavens!! I do eat sugarfree candy, skinny cow ice cream sandwiches and lots of nuts and dried fruits for snacks, and I never feel deprived.
The psychologist in me is always curious about those people who brag about being able to eat so and so very early on after surgery. We had a woman who had the stomach banding who came to our support group bragging that she can "eat anything" at two weeks out. Well...long story short......she is still very heavy and blames her surgeon!! Hello!!!
We are all so different, and that's part of what I love about this group. I seem to be one of those in the group that loses too much and really have to focus on eating MORE good food to get it back up. If I'm doing something that is very engrossing, like babysitting my three little grandsons.....I can easily lose 10 lbs. in a week!! Right now I can't afford to lose 10 lbs. as I'm 157 and should really be 165 because I'm 5'11" and my bones protrude on my upper body at this weight. I am thankful that my "Gracie" won't let me eat very much usually...and when I feel full, I quit. I might eat again a hour later, but I can almost feel when one more bite will put me over the toilet........amazing journey this is!!
I actually feel sorry for that man, and others who try and "trick" the program. Somehow they must have a need to fail......and a need to brag about that!
Aloha nui loa,
Maui Karen
the only comment that i could offer after all of the wonderful ppl above-is that --IF this guy used insurance to pay for his surgery-he has certainly made a bad name for wls for others *****ally truly need the help and would follow instructions to get their health back!
hope that made sense...you are on the right track.....
hope that made sense...you are on the right track.....
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