Question:
Would god approve of surgery?

I have friends and family that believe that this is against the word of god to alter what god gave you. If it isn't medically necessary. I do believe that god can supernaturally change my body but, I also believe god uses this surgery as a tool. Why else would he give man the ablity to concieve how to do it?Some one help!!!!!    — Adrian W. (posted on May 8, 2003)


May 8, 2003
I agree w/you. God gives the dr's the ability to help those in need. If you've prayed about it and God has given you peace w/your decision, then don't let what other people say bother you. Good luck.
   — Bridget J.

May 8, 2003
But, for the morbidly obese, it is medically necessary. If we do not lose weight, one of those co-morbidities would end up killing us. Maybe not as fast as a ruptured appendix would, but eventually and before our time. <p> If God didn't approve of the surgery, would he have given the talent to the surgeons to be able to perform this surgery?
   — John Rushton

May 8, 2003
The problem with this line of reasoning is, just as you indicate, if God didn't want this surgery done because it's against His design, why then would the surgery exist? All sorts of other analogies come to mind -- if you break your arm, do you leave it broken because God intended it to be that way (since He let you break it), or do you have it set? If open-heart surgery can save your life, do you have it, or do you say, God made my heart this way, who am I to change it? If an operation can make a blind man see, do you do it, or say, God meant for him to be blind, leave it be? I know there are religions that are very much opposed to medical treatments in general, for principled reasons that I don't agree with (but do respect) -- however, it sounds as if perhaps your relatives have singled out this procedure and made this argument, when they might not apply that same argument to other situations. If that's the case, you're facing garden-variety family opposition to (and worry about) WLS, not anything to do with God. If your family believes in treatments for heart disease, cancer, etc., then their reasoning here is hard to follow. Maybe if you can get them more educated about the surgery, they won't be so worried about you. Good luck!!
   — Suzy C.

May 8, 2003
I am certain he does not approve of the way one feeds their selves before surgery.As we all know, we should be eating to keep healthy, eat to live, not live to eat as we have heard many times.This surgery allows me to do just that, and I thank God that it is out there to help us.
   — Marie A.

May 8, 2003
I agree with Bridget! Also, is it wrong for someone to have an artificial limb? Or an artificial heart? Or someone else's heart or lungs transplanted into them? That is also "reconstructing what God gave you", but most people would consider a heart or lung transplant a "gift" from God saving someone's life. Well, wls is the same -- it is saving your life. YOU come to terms with it between yourself and God and do what YOU feel is right. Those who think wls is "wrong" may just be uninformed, because I bet they would NEVER ask you that question if you were getting ready to go in for a liver transplant. Some say this surgery is "elective", but I don't believe it is -- if your weight is going to take your life eventually, then this is life-saving surgery. Obesity is a disease. Don't let others sway what your heart tells you. Good luck!
   — beeda

May 8, 2003
Okay, I know I'm going out on a limb here by first of all, paraphrasing the Bible, and secondly piecing these couple of things together...but isn't there a scripture that says your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit? And another that says gluttony is a sin? And yet another that says if your hand causes you to sin cut it off...an eye, pluck it out...for it is far better to enter into eternal life (heaven), eseentially missing parts than to allow yourself to continue in your sin...and perhaps fall away from yoru faith all together and spend eternity in hell? I know most people don't think of food as being a sinful addiction...but it's just a thought...and sometimes, you just got to do, what you got to do. I don't know about anyone else, but for me this has been a truly freeing experience as I no longer lust after food and am no longer a slave to it.
   — eaamc

May 8, 2003
I believe that God has lead me to this surgery, without it I will die, and God wants me to be around a while longer, I am not finished on this earth. I had two strokes back in 1998, and God let me survive those strokes that could have taken my life and with a very small disability. I have told my family, if I do not make it though the surgery, it is in God's hands, and God will guide my surgeons hands. People can believe what they want this is a free country, but when it comes down to it, you are the one that is talking to God about your surgery, Let him lead you, stay strong, you are worth it, and he wants you to have this surgery, because he has a plan for you.
   — cindy

May 8, 2003
God gives us free will to do what we think is right. WLS is not against the 10 comandments, the golden rule or Jesus' rule "Love thy neighbor as you love yourself"
   — Robert L.

May 8, 2003
Gluttony is a sin. I believe God would want me to be healthy and live a productive life rather than killing myself with food.
   — Sarahlicious

May 8, 2003
Read Proverbs 18:9 in the Amplified Bible it reads:Proverbs 18 9He who is loose and slack in his work is brother to him who is a destroyer and [1] he who does not use his endeavors to heal himself is brother to him who commits suicide. This is the Word of God clearly stating to use what He already made available to improve your health. After all, God did not make you fat, that was your mind playing tricks on you (and we all know who wages war on your mind as it is the battlefield.) So take heart and know that God made a provision along time ago on the issue of obesity. That Word from God was what made me decide to take this HUGH step and pursue WLS. If you still have doubts, as I once had...The Holy Spirit reminded me to put put no other gods before the Lord. In my case, that god was food. I planned everything around food. I thought about it constantly. I thought about what I was gonna eat. When I was gonna eat it. How much I was gonna eat and where I was gonna eat it...and most of us became morbidly obese because we let food consume a majority of our thoughts. It is funny that we used food as a coping and control mechanism and it actually controlled us to the point to where it was visable. Therefore, do not let the deceiver fool you by putting food first any longer. Also, don't let people fool you, especially uninformed folk who do not know jack about WLS or more importantly, folk who do not know what the WORD OF GOD SAYS! Jesus said, "...if your hand--even if it is your stronger hand[5:30 Greek [your right hand.] ] --causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell." (Matt 5:30) (Also Matt 18:8 and Matt 9:43) This was another Word from God to me, that whatever causes you to sin, (eating gluttonous amounts of food, lusting after food...lusting, meaning having to have it now, & selfishly eating food, and most importantly abusing the temple of the Holy Spirit that does not belong to you(1 Cor 6:19)... so keep it healthy! Health is truly a gift from God! He has made so many provisions through medicine and technology. Who do you think gives man ideas to come up with these types of techniques?...lol Anyway, don't be fooled! The enemy is a liar! Email me if you wanna talk, I'm not trying to throw Scripture at you, just hoping to shed light your situation as it was once mine. Well feel free to email me anytime. Keep the Faith and wait on Your victory through Christ Jesus! Peace and God Bless!!!
   — Shayla527

May 8, 2003
I have prayed to God to help me in my battle with my weight. When I was thinking about having the surgery,I prayed to God to give me a sign that this is what I should do. Belive it or not a member from church had it done, then several people who I had not seen in a long while came into my life and they were thinner ... all because of the surgery. I belive God put these people in front of me again after many years of not being in touch with them to let me know... it is ok...I want to serve God and with my weight.. I was serving less and less because I was too tired or could not do much. I know I can serve God with more energy than I had before.
   — Rhonda S.

May 8, 2003
I too stuggled with this for a while. I took it question to prayer and received my answer in the peace I felt concerning the topic. I felt God gave us this tool, just as he has given other medicine, open heart surgery, etc. Pray for the answer and for the others questioning your decision that they may find the same peace in your decision.
   — Laura B.

May 8, 2003
Gluttony is a sin. Being a victim of a fatal disease is not. Would these same folks forbid the setting of a broken leg, treating of diabetes, removal of a defective gallbladder or appendix? It'd be great if we could treat our disease other than with surgery, but so far, this is the best thing we've got. I also faced that with a few in my church who some how think that surgery takes the place of the "sufferin' & starvin'" they think is more morally correct. Well, I'm here to tell ya, surgery is just another tool in the toolbox of dealing with my fatal disease. I can keep it in remission with a good surgery, PLUS being on guard against ever falling into the trap of thinking I can ever be "normal". I stick with the formula that got me to a healthy weight, and to some it might appear that any restriction is "sufferin' & starvin'" and then it's OK for me to be thin. ??? Go figure.
   — vitalady

May 8, 2003
Would God approve a heart valve by-pass? I say yes, but what do I know?!
   — msmaryk

May 8, 2003
God made a man blind from birth. Jesus made the blide man see....and i don't think God got made at Jesus! lol
   — franbvan

May 8, 2003
I am a children's pastor and I believed it was a gift from God to finally get the right kind of insurance that would cover surgery. If you are overweight enough to qualify for surgery then most likely it is medically necessary and will only get more so as you age and/or gain weight. Besides you are to take care of the temple God gave you and the bible does not say with the exception of wls.
   — Kristi T.

May 8, 2003
Adrian, the question should be, do you approve of the surgery, your the one that has to live with yourself for the rest of your life......but to answer your question, i beleive in God and I beleive in medicine and certain they beleive in the surgery, you put the two together and look at all these healthy happy people who have been givin a second chance at a healthy life...good luck
   — Deanna Wise

May 8, 2003
Before my surgery, I also referred to the scripture that Shayla quoted. It was the enemy that caused me to sin (gluttony). The Lord provided a way out. He wants us to be free. I am now free.
   — Cheri M.

May 8, 2003
Listen to the Professor of Theology (in the making... :-) )...No where in the bible does it tell us not to seek medical treatment for health issues. God wants us to be healthy. He wants us to do His work...and if we are ill (and being obease...we are ill) we cannot. God does want us to suffer...HELLO...He sent Jesus to do that suffering for us over 2000 years ago. God isn't going to just zap the weight off, though I personally have prayed He would. I'm sure we all have at some point. I agree totally that God uses medical treatments, medications, surgery to help us. Think about it...God gave some the gift to heal...why would He do that if we weren't meant to be healed? Tell your family that you have prayed about it.(i'm sure you have) Explain to them that God uses this surgery to help people just like He would with a triple by-pass or an emergency c-section. You mentioned if it isn't medically nessessary...Two points to address there...The first being that God isn't like an insurance company. lol. He understands our wants and needs better then anyone else, including ourselves. If this surgery is needed for something other then a medical treatment, like for example...someone is obease and is doing it to PREVENT a future of obesity co-morb...or some other reason...they should of course, pray. Talk to God about the choices they have and why they feel this surgery is the best road to take. This surgery in general is NOT given to those who don't meet certain critieria. A 150 lb 5'6" women can't walk into a doctor's office and say she's self paying and wants this surgery...because she doesn't need it. She isn't obease. If your doctor's have approved you or are in the process of doing so, you can bet that there is a reason, even if it is to prevent the future problems from coming up. Trust that God understands what you need. And accept that some people will never agree with this surgery.
   — Renee B.

May 9, 2003
God gave the lepers a very bad disease but sent his son, Jesus who cured them. Give me a break. Tell your family to leave God alone and let you make up your own mind!!! If you ever need to talk I am here!
   — Regina C.

May 9, 2003
These dingbats who say these things never ceise to amaze me. They always throw "God" into the equalion. LOL THEY WOULD BE THE FIRST ONES TO "CHANGE WHAT GOD CREATED (?)" if "THEY" were the ones in pain. They are manipulative buttheads. Ignore them. But as far as "changing God's creation"... Jesus sinned! He healed people who were blind and lame from birth. What a rotten sinner he was to do such a kind and compassionate thing. People like these so called friends of yours... these "compasonate, manipultive dingbats" who THINK they know God's will for OTHER PEOPLE (you don't want to know what THEY do in secret!), are the very reason I quit church 20 years ago. Who needs "their compasion". I'll go with the sinner Jesus, who changed God's creation to help those in need. He has the "true" religion. ;)
   — Danmark

May 9, 2003
To the original poster, this is my suggestion: pray for the peace you need in helping you to make the decision about whether or not WLS is for you. And while you're at it, pray that God allow those around you to see that what you're doing is the right thing for you and for Him. To the poster who said that Jesus was a sinner -- you are mistaken - because Jesus was without sin and the only being to walk this earth without sin. And he did not "change" God's creation -- as he IS God and we are all His creation. Forgive me for butting in there, but I felt it needed some clarification. Good luck with your surgery and with your family and friends. I know they can be difficult if they don't understand the surgery. Just remember that all things are possible through Christ.
   — Cheryl M.

May 9, 2003
Don't even get me started... The type of people who adhere so strictly to harmful religious dogma then try to foist it off on others are evil in my opinion. If you personally believe in a god, which is all that should matter to you, then do what you think is right. There are always narrow-minded zealots out there who think they know what is right for you. Don't let them tell you anything about how to run your life! JMHO.
   — [Deactivated Member]

May 9, 2003
Talk about flash backs! I went thru the same thing with certain members of my family preop. I was born and raised, and still am christian. My family are staunch FreeWill Baptists. I was told by a certain nameless family member that he didn't feel that is was right, and that it was against God's will, and that he would pray that He would put stumbling blocks in my path, and that God had a tendency to listen to him, and grant his prayers. I'm now a little over 2 weeks post op and down 20 lbs. It's wrong to try to use religon to intimmidate or bully. You mention it's wrong to alter something God gave you unless medically necessary. I would have to agree with that. There is altering just for the heck of it, and then there is altering it because it's necessary. I looked at your page, and you state your bmi is 46. I would think with a bmi that hight, that this procedure IS medically necessary. God has given man the knowledge and skill to preform this procedure. If your doctor has consented to treat you, and is working with the insurance to get you approved, then I would say the doctor thinks it's necessary too. Look at it this way. Over 30000 people die from obesity, or obesity related problems. Obesity is a DEADLY DISEASE. You are making a decision to not be one of the possible statistics. Do you think that God would punnish you for trying to improve the quality and quantity of YOUR life? Before I had mine, I made a list of the pros and cons of being obese, and a list of pros and cons of having this surgery. Whenever I start feeling down about my decision, I look at both lists, and think I did this for me to make my life better. Faith is a wonderful thing. It helped me get where I am now, but God does truly help those who help themselves. Sorry about the soap box answer, but it is something I feel very strongly about. Good luck, God bless, and if you want or need to talk, please feel free to email me at [email protected]. open distal roux-n-y 4/24/03 down 20#
   — mellyhudel

May 9, 2003
Sometimes I'm just amazed at man's (or woman's, for that matter)ability to rationalize whatever they want to rationalize. I guess since god gave man the ability to create a nuclear bomb, he must approve of nuclear war.
   — Rob P.

May 9, 2003
AT first I thought this was a joke. MY god is a kind and forgiving God. He supports me no matter what I do. I would tell your friends and relatives that the surgery is between YOU and YOUR GOD. Good luck! Best,
   — Louise C.

May 9, 2003
Insurance approval takes long enough. Imagine how long we'd all have to wait for surgery if we had to get God's approval also.
   — Sarahlicious

May 9, 2003
Maybe it is because I am not a Cristian...maybe not.... but I think that this question is retarted! I love Sarah B's reply about waiting for insurance approval vs waiting for "god's" approval. Fot those of you that are christians I think that praying for a speedy recovery is what I would consentrate on rather than an argument that you should settle for what you are given......I mean seriously....god also gave you common sense.
   — Sarah S.

May 9, 2003
i really admire your question about whether God would approve of this surgery. i struggled with the same question for a while untill i finally asked a friend of mine whom i trust very much and she gave me the answer i needed, after that i have never wondered about it again. my main motive for wanting to have this surgery is to improve my health so i can do more for God, i am so limited right now on what i can do. as Christians, God is a very big part of our lives and it is very important to us what he thinks about us. so rest in him and "Best Wishes" in everything you do.
   — patricia M.

May 9, 2003
Sarah, perhaps you should concentrate on spelling.. and if you don't like these questions don't reply-and don't be rude.
   — kjonhjk

May 9, 2003
Cheryl N.... I was'nt really calling Jesus a sinner. Ether you are a bad reader (like myself) or you missed my sarcasum. :)
   — Danmark

May 9, 2003
Sarah, Adrian is seeking approval from the Lord. She just wanted insight on others experiences, who may have gone through the same. Craving the WILL of God is not 'retarded' as you put it (but spelled correctly). It is a very serious matter. And if you were a Christian, you would understand and not be judgemental. Adrian, you will have to seek the Lords will on this, and pray that he will guide you and give you the wisdom to make this very important decision.
   — Cheri M.

May 10, 2003
The primary tenent of my religion is to do what you will, so far as it harms none. I've spent a lifetime harming myself with food ... it's time to stop that, and to begin taking care of myself. I firmly believe that I have a spiritual responsibility to do what it takes to make myself as healthy as possible. I can't help but think that any God or Goddess would want His/Her followers to be healthy and happy and therefore more able to be shining examples of Diety itself.
   — Dragon G.

May 10, 2003
Reminds me of a proverb for those whose sail has become torn while at sea: Pray to God, but row to shore.
   — merri B.




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