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I really don't understand the obsession with bone density (what DEXA actually measures according to a variety of web sites) vs. the machines we use at our clinic that actually measure BMR and a variety of other significant measurements, including BMI, fat mass and muscle mass. I don't get my numbers from an internet source. In fact I get very little information from the internet, instead relying on the professionals with expertise in the area of weight loss, and even though my "team" includes 5 different individuals involving 4 different aspects of weight loss their recommendations complement each other. I'm confident in the program I'm on and on the information I've received. I have ALL of the information I need to be successful and NONE of it comes from the internet.
Your BMR rate needs to be accurately measured by a particular machine that measures oxygen expended during rest. Using an online calculator, my BMR was quoted as 1534 calories per day, whereas my actual correctly measured BMR was 1873. That's quite the difference.
If your weightloss clinic doesn't offer a dexa scan (for body fat calculation) and BMR measurement, might I suggest you find somewhere that does? You will have to pay out of pocket, but I only paid $150.
It will at least give you true information to gauge your progress, rather than plucking a number off the internet.
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Holly,
While my insurance is covering most of the cost there are copays to be certain, and when I get to the point where I'm needing skin reduction surgery, it sounds like most of that will be out of pocket. As for following my progress of course you are welcome to, my point was that if you are going to attempt to discredit my work because you think your way is the only way then I'd rather you wouldn't follow my progress. Whether by surgery or medically managed care, serious weight loss is hard and it should be so that we have the incentive not to do this to our bodies ever again. All I ask is that you not make it harder by offering disparaging remarks. When I first started this journey I had many days where I didn't want to go to the gym, but now I can't stay away. I did 25 minutes on the arc trainer this morning and this evening I'll go back and do a 30 minute circuit training session. I have never felt better or stronger in my life, and I WILL keep this weight off because I now know how to eat and exercise in a healthy way.
I was never disparaging. That is your own insecurities working against you.
I say,you go.
Holly,
While my insurance is covering most of the cost there are copays to be certain, and when I get to the point where I'm needing skin reduction surgery, it sounds like most of that will be out of pocket. As for following my progress of course you are welcome to, my point was that if you are going to attempt to discredit my work because you think your way is the only way then I'd rather you wouldn't follow my progress. Whether by surgery or medically managed care, serious weight loss is hard and it should be so that we have the incentive not to do this to our bodies ever again. All I ask is that you not make it harder by offering disparaging remarks. When I first started this journey I had many days where I didn't want to go to the gym, but now I can't stay away. I did 25 minutes on the arc trainer this morning and this evening I'll go back and do a 30 minute circuit training session. I have never felt better or stronger in my life, and I WILL keep this weight off because I now know how to eat and exercise in a healthy way.
Holly, I found a study that concluded in 2015 by Stanford that followed a number of people who participated in the type of program that I participate in. Each of these folks lost more than 100 pounds to get to their ideal weight range and then followed these folks for 5 years and at the end of that time 62% of those had kept the weight off.
great,I hope you become a statistic in that 62% success rate. So,why don't you want me to follow your progress?
Holly the people you are referring to when you say they can't keep the weight off include those who try the :flavor of the day" diet like Weigh****chers or Nutrisystem or whatever for profit weight loss plan ios out there. In fact if you were to study the nutrition information on their prepared meals you can buy, you would discover that they are designed for weight gain, not loss. I don't do any of that. I work with a 5-person medical team that specializes in working with obese people. Included in that team is an LPN with concentrations in the psychology of weight loss, a nutritionist with a MS degree in the discipline, and a trainer with a college degree in Kinesiology and two professional training certifications. You won't find these people at your local Weigh****chers meeting or at the local gym. You also won't find them on Martha Stewart or Rachel Ray. One more thing Holly, the percentage of folks keepping the weight off after 5 years is several times HIGHER than your report
so you aren't paying for the expertise of your team?
Holly, I found a study that concluded in 2015 by Stanford that followed a number of people who participated in the type of program that I participate in. Each of these folks lost more than 100 pounds to get to their ideal weight range and then followed these folks for 5 years and at the end of that time 62% of those had kept the weight off.
Holly the people you are referring to when you say they can't keep the weight off include those who try the :flavor of the day" diet like Weigh****chers or Nutrisystem or whatever for profit weight loss plan ios out there. In fact if you were to study the nutrition information on their prepared meals you can buy, you would discover that they are designed for weight gain, not loss. I don't do any of that. I work with a 5-person medical team that specializes in working with obese people. Included in that team is an LPN with concentrations in the psychology of weight loss, a nutritionist with a MS degree in the discipline, and a trainer with a college degree in Kinesiology and two professional training certifications. You won't find these people at your local Weigh****chers meeting or at the local gym. You also won't find them on Martha Stewart or Rachel Ray. One more thing Holly, the percentage of folks keepping the weight off after 5 years is several times HIGHER than your report
So while you sit here in judgement of me and how I am sure to fail because you did, I'm supposed to wait 8-10 years (because I haven't reached my goals yet) before I can defend myself? Does that just about sum it up? By all means Holly, if you are one of those people *****quire me to meet your standards then by all means quit following my threads immediately, I don't have time for it. I am here to help those who are in need of support and encouragement, and clearly that isn't you. I also don't understand your participation in this particular forum since it' s supposed to be about non-surgical issues.
As I said before I am happy for your your continued victories, but I have a close friend who had surgery 5 years ago and she lost a bunch of weight right away, about 80 pounds in just a handful of weeks, as I recall. I remember her telling me that she weighed about 300 pounds at the time of her surgery. I ran into her this past summer, and she now weighs 450 if not 500 pounds, and I have many friends who have had the exact same experience. Why? Because they used the surgery as a crutch and they NEVER took the time to develop healthy attitudes toward eating and exercise. I know I would also be one of those people so I made the conscious decision to go the non-surgical route, and for those like me I am here to offer help with the knowledge I have been given by medical professionals, instead of so-called "experts" that appear on these celebrity shows or in the lifestyle magazines. Most of them are full of crap and are actually making it harder for people to lose weight.
I just answered the question you asked me. Statistics show us that only 5% of ppl who lose weight without surgery maintain the loss.
And just so you know,I am allowed to post on any thread on any forum on this board. You don't make the rules.
I hope you are as successful as you want to be, it is no skin off my nose one way or the other.
Did you happen to notice how dead this forum is? There just aren't that many ppl being successful at non wls methods.
Of course ppl can regain,after wls,but more do not than do. Just the opposite of ppl who lose with Non surgical methods.
You know two personally who gained. I see thousands on this board every day who have not gained.
why are you so defensive that I want to watch your progress? We all watch and applaud everyone's successes and sympathizw when they are less successful on the other forums.why not on this one?
So while you sit here in judgement of me and how I am sure to fail because you did, I'm supposed to wait 8-10 years (because I haven't reached my goals yet) before I can defend myself? Does that just about sum it up? By all means Holly, if you are one of those people *****quire me to meet your standards then by all means quit following my threads immediately, I don't have time for it. I am here to help those who are in need of support and encouragement, and clearly that isn't you. I also don't understand your participation in this particular forum since it' s supposed to be about non-surgical issues.
As I said before I am happy for your your continued victories, but I have a close friend who had surgery 5 years ago and she lost a bunch of weight right away, about 80 pounds in just a handful of weeks, as I recall. I remember her telling me that she weighed about 300 pounds at the time of her surgery. I ran into her this past summer, and she now weighs 450 if not 500 pounds, and I have many friends who have had the exact same experience. Why? Because they used the surgery as a crutch and they NEVER took the time to develop healthy attitudes toward eating and exercise. I know I would also be one of those people so I made the conscious decision to go the non-surgical route, and for those like me I am here to offer help with the knowledge I have been given by medical professionals, instead of so-called "experts" that appear on these celebrity shows or in the lifestyle magazines. Most of them are full of crap and are actually making it harder for people to lose weight.
