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The trouble with any Internet forum is that we only see the written word. We don't see the smile, hear the intonation, know the background, share the culture. And so it is all too easy to misunderstand. This happens from both sides. People asking for help phrase it without clarity, people offering help may be misunderstood.
yes, people are unkind. But some it may not be intended. Some if it is! One very regular, generally apparently kind person occasionally becomes schizophrenic and launches a vicious attack on someone asking for support. Yes, nasty and in that case, one has to assume, intended.
But it is not that clear cut. If I post to say I am ignoring all my doctor's rules, eating less than a child but gaining weight, it is not helpful to express sympathy and tell me it will get better. Kind is telling me that unless I have a medical condition, I am eating more than I think I am!
Highest 290, Banded - 248 Lowest 139 (too thin!). Comfort zone 155-165.
Happily banded since May 2006. Regain of 28lbs 2013-14. ALL GONE!
But some has returned! Up to 175, argh! Off we go again,
On May 22, 2014 at 11:03 AM Pacific Time, kekosmom wrote:
I always think that tough love should come from people who love you and know you best. We all need a push sometimes but it shouldn't be from people making snap judgments on the 2% of your life that they know.
I like the people that come in here and say, "Okay someone give me a kick in the rear, I need it!" You know they are looking for that.
For the others this may be the only place they get treated with understanding and kindness through this process so unless you develop a friendship with them I think it's unfair of others to be hurtful.
When I see mean comments disguised as tough love I always worry, have you just pushed that person away or over the edge. You don't love them so are you just being tough because it's fun for you?
I'm all about the tough love with my friends and family who know that my heart has their best interest in mind. And I take it when they do it to me. If/when I do it here it's because I'm not thinking and I know once it's out there I've made a mistake of thinking I've got that person all figured out when in reality I'm making snap judgments and comments.
I believe there is a way to present advice that comes off as just that. And then there is a way to present that same info as condemnation. Advice can be mulled over, condemnation is just hurtful and either leaves a scar or is thrown out because it makes people mad.
If you are answering so quickly and off the cuff that people are reacting with anger then you are not being heard, so why waste time posting? Your points may be valid but why bother if nobody is hearing you.
I'm just as guilty as the next person. I'm not calling any one out but I really think this is something that needs to be addressed. I talk to lots of people through private messages that say "I won't post anymore because..."
What is the point of this board if people are scared to post?
So you would like to address the issue of how people respond in this forum?
Your "think image" you put in your original post should be used as guidelines for anyone *****sponds on here?
And unless they don't have any kind words to say they should keep that to themselves?
Hala. RNY 5/14/2008; Happy At Goal =HAG
"I can eat or do anything I want to - as long as I am willing to deal with the consequences"
"Failure is not falling down, It is not getting up once you fell... So pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again...."
Personally, when I get replies that I find upsetting, I think it's more useful to work on figuring out why I have that reaction than to think that the reply should have been different. Often, if I take the time to really examine what I've said and what I'm presenting, I can figure out where the reply is coming from and the adjust accordingly.
There are certainly comments that are out of line here, but I'm here for information first and support is a secondary thing.
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Diagnosed with Binge Eating Disorder and started Vyvanse - 7/22/2016
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Next Goal 145 - normal BMI | Total Weight Lost 170
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on 5/22/14 4:16 am - Canada
Thank you I do appreciate your concern but I didn't start this thread to talk about my personal issues.
I believe my post is relevant to a lot of people on this board who feel as I do whom I have talked to in private and the public forum who feel that some people are too harsh and hurtful.
My opinion can be disregarded just like anyone else's if anybody feels it is not valid.
God bless, Michelle
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on 5/22/14 4:03 am - Canada
I always think that tough love should come from people who love you and know you best. We all need a push sometimes but it shouldn't be from people making snap judgments on the 2% of your life that they know.
I like the people that come in here and say, "Okay someone give me a kick in the rear, I need it!" You know they are looking for that.
For the others this may be the only place they get treated with understanding and kindness through this process so unless you develop a friendship with them I think it's unfair of others to be hurtful.
When I see mean comments disguised as tough love I always worry, have you just pushed that person away or over the edge. You don't love them so are you just being tough because it's fun for you?
I'm all about the tough love with my friends and family who know that my heart has their best interest in mind. And I take it when they do it to me. If/when I do it here it's because I'm not thinking and I know once it's out there I've made a mistake of thinking I've got that person all figured out when in reality I'm making snap judgments and comments.
I believe there is a way to present advice that comes off as just that. And then there is a way to present that same info as condemnation. Advice can be mulled over, condemnation is just hurtful and either leaves a scar or is thrown out because it makes people mad.
If you are answering so quickly and off the cuff that people are reacting with anger then you are not being heard, so why waste time posting? Your points may be valid but why bother if nobody is hearing you.
I'm just as guilty as the next person. I'm not calling any one out but I really think this is something that needs to be addressed. I talk to lots of people through private messages that say "I won't post anymore because..."
What is the point of this board if people are scared to post?
Kekosmom I read your story a few times and honestly if I were you I would be looking for another opinion. What happens if in one year or more you still have these "side effects". There has to be some underlying issue that is causing them. There is no way you are going to be able to live on going every month for saline IV's. What if you get so bad that you have to start going in every week or more. They can only poke your veins so many times before they are not accessible.
As for what is written on public forums learn to take things with a grain of salt. Yup people write stuff without thinking. Then they are ones that write stuff and try to sugar coat everything which isn't good either. Read between the lines or posts to find the answers to the questions.
I do really hope someone finds out what is really wrong with you. It is doing your body no good living the way you are.
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hw305/revision w280/cw197/gw150
Revision from Lap Band to Bypass on 2/4/2015 by Dr. Pohl
Very well said! 
Toni Dallison
"I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength" Phil. 4:13
Two members ripped her apart for venting on the VSG board about all of her hydration struggles. They basically told her that she brings it on herself and just wants attention.
And we wonder why participation keeps declining.
HW: 318 Date of Surgery: 3/10/14 SW: 270 CW: 154
on 5/22/14 3:32 am
I do think sometimes we do need to be not so weak.I just know sometimes I can be a baby and not get past a point without someone giving me a push saying Toughen Up Buttercup.
I know tough love isn't always the way to go.But some of us need it once in a while.I can have a pity party and feel blue and there isn't any reason.I know I can't always depend on my anti-depressants to help me I have to help myself.
