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Nan2008
on 9/27/10 6:13 am - Midland, MI
Topic: RE: HOW DOES "SELF INSURED" affect approval
Yes, Aetna is still who approves or denies.  I am curious too, if your BMI is 62 and you have fulfilled the other requirements, I can't imagine what it must be other than the 2 year history thing.  Both my daughter and a friend of mine were denied for that exact reason 'lack of proof of obesity for the past 2 years' even though they had 3-4 years of medical history submitted !  Do you know for sure that your surgeon's office (or did your PCP submit for approval??) included your medical history proving you had a high enough BMI fo rthe past 2 years without dropping below the required BMI?

Nan

HW 300
/ SW 280 / CW 138 /
GW 140
Hit Goal 4/2/2010

        
Nan2008
on 9/27/10 5:51 am - Midland, MI
Topic: RE: Super Freaked out and nervous!
It sounds like you have everything under control!  I would definitely check with the MD from the 90 day program and ask if they are requesting your past 2 years medical records because you will need to submit them with your paperwork in order to get an approval by Aetna.  And make sure your BMI did not drop below 40 in that 2 year history !  They will deny for this also.  (or BMI of "35-39.9 with co-morbidies. 

But yes, definitely get your medical records to whomever is going to submit for approval.  Not sure if the MD from the 90 day program automatically does that or if it's something you have to initiate.  Sounds like they have a good program in place though for meeting the requirements!

Nan

HW 300
/ SW 280 / CW 138 /
GW 140
Hit Goal 4/2/2010

        
Kelli S.
on 9/27/10 5:35 am, edited 9/27/10 5:48 am - Kalamazoo, MI
Topic: RE: Super Freaked out and nervous!

Thanks for the information. It is 90 days, and it is done in the sugeons office through their "medical weightloss clinic" that is monitored by an MD. I have weekly classes and weigh ins that include every other week classes with the nutritionist and behaviorist (behavior modification).

Do you think it is wise to get records from my primary care doc that I have noting my weight from the past 2 years or do you think the MD from the 90 day program will get it for me?

Also do you think it makes a difference since my insurance is backed by the Teamsters Union? 

I appreciate your help!

I am 27 years old, 5' and 3/4" tall. HW: 263 SW: 226 LW: 142 CW: 198

mrsconrad
on 9/27/10 5:15 am - Steger, IL
Topic: RE: HOW DOES "SELF INSURED" affect approval
so its still aetna who approves or denies???  I am just trying to come up with some reason this is occurring... still waiting for the letter... : )
Nan2008
on 9/27/10 4:57 am - Midland, MI
Topic: RE: HOW DOES "SELF INSURED" affect approval
Doesn't affect it at all.  My company is self insured also.  It just means that the company pays the claims.

Nan

HW 300
/ SW 280 / CW 138 /
GW 140
Hit Goal 4/2/2010

        
Nan2008
on 9/27/10 4:55 am - Midland, MI
Topic: RE: Super Freaked out and nervous!

It is TOTALLY worth it.  I was denied for surgery because my surgeon's office submitted my paperwork to soon.  I too was doing their 3 month multidisciplinary program.  My surgeon's office submited the paperwork thinking I had completed it with my PCP.  I had not and was denied.  I finished the 3 month MD program, appealed, and won.  I had surgery in March 09 and have lost 160 lbs.

A friend of mine was denied by Aetna also.  Reason being 'lack of proof of obesity for 2 years'.  I helped her with her appeal and she was approved and had surgery in Jan 2010.

My daughter was also denied.  I appealed for her, and she won!  Had surgery this past May and is down 78.5 pounds.

So yes, it can be quite discouraging to hear all the stories of how Aetna is so hard to get approved, but basically, if you meet all of their requirements in their clinical bulletin 0157 (I'm assuming you have that already) you will get approved.  You just have to make sure all of your T's are crossed and your I's are dotted!  And if you are denied, get the reason why, and prove to them what they need to see.

One thing to keep in mind, it is not a 12 week program according to one of the Aetna appeals team member's I talked to.  It is a 90 day multidisciplinary program.  The wording when I was getting approved said 3 month multidisciplinary program.  He said this means 90 days!!  No less or you will get denied.  So make sure your first appoint and your last appointment with your PCP are at least 90 days apart!

I will PM you if you'd like a breakdown of everything I did to get approved.  Also, when talking to the Aetna representative, they stated the importance of the 'behavior modification' and that being documented with your PCP.  So make sure you are meeting all of the requirments as stated in the 0157 bulletin.

Good Luck to you!

Nan

Nan

HW 300
/ SW 280 / CW 138 /
GW 140
Hit Goal 4/2/2010

        
mrsconrad
on 9/27/10 4:48 am - Steger, IL
Topic: HOW DOES "SELF INSURED" affect approval
I have Aetna, but my company is self insured... does anyone know how this impacts or affects the approval process
mrsconrad
on 9/27/10 4:46 am - Steger, IL
Topic: RE: DENIED BY AETNA ON APPEAL
Well, went back to the doctors today, so that I can get another months worth of phydician supervised diet on the books, just trying to do anything I can to continue to gain the paperwork neeed.  I am trying to keep my chin up - but its not easy.  As I do not have the letter, I cant tell what the denial is for, but I will wait for the mail and as soon as I begin in, do the next steps.

My company is self insured, so I am not sure how that is playing in - so I am trying to investigate that...

thanks for all the well wishes!

Maria
Nan2008
on 9/27/10 4:45 am - Midland, MI
Topic: RE: DENIED BY AETNA ON APPEAL
When you get the denial letter in the mail, let me know what it says.  My daughter's as well as my friend's denial letter stated 'lack of proof of 2 years of being obese."  Could that be it?  It sounds like all the other requirements are met.  I'm pretty familiar with Aetna's requirements because my daughter and I were denied, then approved in appeal.  A friend of mine was denied and I helped her with her appeal, and she got approved.  My son's documentation is with Aetna as of last week and we are waiting on an approval for his surgery!!  I feel your pain because I have been there.  But don't give up!! 

Once you get the denial letter, let us know what it says and I can certainly forward you the appeal letters I used for all of our appeals.

Nan

Nan

HW 300
/ SW 280 / CW 138 /
GW 140
Hit Goal 4/2/2010

        
moving-on
on 9/27/10 2:33 am - Rimrock, AZ
Topic: RE: DENIED BY AETNA ON APPEAL
They really had no valid reason.  Said they didnt receive some my labs and didnt see that i was on Statins.  My Dr sent over 106 pages and was very thorough.  The surgeon says they are just trying yank my chains it sounds like.  Pretty frustrating as I am ready to be on the losers bench.
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