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HonestOmnivore
on 10/11/17 3:01 pm
RNY on 03/29/17
Topic: RE: What can I do to actually get motivated?

You lost serious cred in your implication that ANY cure would work for all of a population. Seriously? If you need meds then that means that depression medication works better than exercise period? REALLY? You aren't familiar with a bell curve? With means, modes, outliers?

Up until a few weeks ago I was taking medication for depression, I'm getting talk therapy (CBT primarily) biweekly for depression, I'm exercising as one piece of my fight against depression, I use light therapy for depression, I have aroma therapy tools that help maybe more with focus but still a little with depression, I use meditation for anxiety and depression, I make myself spend time in green space for depression (and ADD)... These are all tools. Nothing is 100% I'm very confident I will be on medication for my depression again, as far as I can tell this is going to be a lifetime battle. I will seek out and use all the tools I can find that might help me through this hell.

My explaining that I am motivated to exercise by the benefits that exercise provides to my fight against depression is not a personal attack on your use of antidepressant medications. My god.

5'4" 49yrs at surgery date

SW - 206 CW - 128
M1 - 20lb M2 - 9 lb M3 - 7 lb M4 - 7 lb M5 - 7 lb M6 - 6 lb M7 - 4 lb M8 - 1 lb M9 - 2 lb M10 - 4 lb M11 - 0lb M12 - 3lb M13 - 0 lb M14 - 2 lb M15 - 0 lb M16 - 3 lb

Sparklekitty, Science-Loving Derby Hag
on 10/11/17 2:43 pm
RNY on 08/05/19
Topic: RE: What can I do to actually get motivated?

Look into the SMILE study (Standard Medical Intervention versus Long-term Exercise) which appropriately combined exercise only, medication only, or both. They also did a semi-placebo by assigning exercise at home to a later group, rather than supervised cardio. Researchers assessed LEVEL of depressive symptoms, in addition to relapse probability.

Believe me, if I could drop my meds and just go running, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Mental illness doesn't work that way.

Sparklekitty / Julie / Nerdy Little Secret (#42)
Roller derby - cycling - triathlon
VSG 2013, RNY conversion 2019 due to GERD. Trendweight here!

HonestOmnivore
on 10/11/17 2:36 pm
RNY on 03/29/17
Topic: RE: What can I do to actually get motivated?

Oh Sparklekitty - Weren't you the one who said you didn't have time to go look up sources for me when I asked you for your sources in an earlier discussion? (yes, actually, you were). But while I'm clearly a petty person who holds grudges, I also admire your desire for facts and sources - a trait I truly wished everyone shared!

So yes, if one Googles this the first source that comes up tends to be the one from the UK written in 2012 which is a meta study (a study of other studies for those reading this who aren't used to the terminology). Two important points in this study is that the act of simply prescribing exercise is not helpful to a depressed patient (because seriously - you're already depressed, being told you need to go do the exact opposite of what every cell of your body desires, sleeeeeep generally, often cruelly combined with insomnia, isn't exactly helpful) and the fact that you can't perform a double blind test with exercise because most of us can't be duped into "pretend" exercise where we (the patient) and they (the testers) are both unable to know if we were randomly placed in a group that actually performs "real" cardio exercise or a group that isn't actually achieving cardio effort. Valid points for sure! But there is more to my admittedly causally offered comment than the prescribing part or the validity of the scientifically constructed study.

There are reasons that non-profit, patient focused wellness dollars are being invested in exercise programs designed to combat depression and anxiety, mostly the finding of studies that show a correlation between cardio activity and Quality of Life improvements. In studies where one can't perform a double blind side to side analysis this is often as good as it's going to get.

The phrase I used was intended to relate this to pharmaceutical studies, which as I'm sure you are aware, require only a slight improvement in a few patients to be considered a general success. If a tested drug shows a perceived improvement that is just slightly better than a placebo, it's considered a viable option for treatment.

None the less, I will go back and edit my original post to clear up this travesty, because you did well in calling me out!

Here's a nice source that might motivate a reader to exercise - http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0160589

5'4" 49yrs at surgery date

SW - 206 CW - 128
M1 - 20lb M2 - 9 lb M3 - 7 lb M4 - 7 lb M5 - 7 lb M6 - 6 lb M7 - 4 lb M8 - 1 lb M9 - 2 lb M10 - 4 lb M11 - 0lb M12 - 3lb M13 - 0 lb M14 - 2 lb M15 - 0 lb M16 - 3 lb

SkinnyScientist
on 10/11/17 2:25 pm
Topic: RE: Beginner's Running Group -NoVA/DMV

Also, for adult running groups, you may want to see if a "She runs this town" group is in your area.

Best wishes for your upcoming surgeries. I want to get back to 142 lbs and HOLD IT for another 2 years before I start working on my plastics. Really just my thighs and lower abs...but I worry about the expense. Guess I will have to save up

RNY Surgery: 12/31/2013; 

Current weight (2/27/2015) 139lbs, ~14% body fat

Three pounds below Goal!!! Yay !  

SkinnyScientist
on 10/11/17 2:23 pm
Topic: RE: Beginner's Running Group -NoVA/DMV

I hope so too! Trainers and coaching staff in such groups DO have a turn-over.

I remember my first half marathon (Massive Medals in Newport Va..Christopher Newport University).

It was so hard and I was so tired and wanted to give up. But a "Girls on the Run" group was there with a cute sign that said "Punch here for power" and they cheered so happily and energetically when you did! And they wanted you to take their gatorade and fruit too!

Their happy spirit encouraged me for another 2 miles!

RNY Surgery: 12/31/2013; 

Current weight (2/27/2015) 139lbs, ~14% body fat

Three pounds below Goal!!! Yay !  

jenorama
on 10/11/17 1:48 pm - CA
RNY on 10/07/13
Topic: RE: What can I do to actually get motivated?

I find it difficult to interrupt my workday to go to the gym, so I go in the morning. My motivator is the money I pay my personal trainer--there's no way I'm wasting those $$.

I was on the fence for a long time about going to the gym. I knew I wanted to lift weights to gain strength and muscle mass, but I didn't want to go to the gym and just faff around like a jerk, so I hooked up with one of the trainers my work's gym has available and having the regular appointment with him is what keeps me going. I know if I was going on my own, I wouldn't be nearly as consistent.

I think you might need to enlist the help of your teenager with the toddler if possible so you can work out after work. Getting a gym buddy that you have an "appointment" with might be a good way to keep you consistently going as well. I hope you can find a solution that works for you.

Jen

Sparklekitty, Science-Loving Derby Hag
on 10/11/17 1:40 pm, edited 10/11/17 6:51 am
RNY on 08/05/19
Topic: RE: What can I do to actually get motivated?

>> Regular cardio is a better cure for depression and anxiety than any medication on the market - like literally performs far better than drugs.

Citations please? The meta-analyses I've found say this is not true. For some patients, exercise may be more effective than SSRI's, but I see nothing to support your claim that it's "far better." (Source)

Sparklekitty / Julie / Nerdy Little Secret (#42)
Roller derby - cycling - triathlon
VSG 2013, RNY conversion 2019 due to GERD. Trendweight here!

HonestOmnivore
on 10/11/17 1:07 pm
RNY on 03/29/17
Topic: RE: Weekly Workout - October 8, 2017

Mid week already and I'm just getting here now! Better late than never?

Monday- Dog walk in the morning (the addition of an 8 wk old puppy was not conducive to running) 3 mile run on the indoor track at night (fastest yet, 11 minute miles!!!), plus my weight circuit.

Tuesday- Rushed swim, just ten laps at the crawl because I had an early breakfast meeting.

Wednesday- 3 mile morning run (slow this am, like 16 minute miles) biked to work, tonight will be my weight circuit night at the rec center

Thursday - AM swim, hoping for 30 laps total (1500 m) Bike to work weather permitting

Friday- 3 mile run

Saturday and Sunday - moving and apt cleaning

I've been doing the weight circuit for about four weeks now and I still hate it so much!!! I'm doing 3 sets of 15 reps and the only machine that I don't hate is the pull down one. I have a following now of people who move to machines near me and I'm pretty sure it's just because I make such insane crazy pained expressions as I try to complete the last set. If it was just one one or two guys, I might think that they were creepers, but it's like six people, male and female and I'm convinced they have some sort of "funny face BINGO" game going...

5'4" 49yrs at surgery date

SW - 206 CW - 128
M1 - 20lb M2 - 9 lb M3 - 7 lb M4 - 7 lb M5 - 7 lb M6 - 6 lb M7 - 4 lb M8 - 1 lb M9 - 2 lb M10 - 4 lb M11 - 0lb M12 - 3lb M13 - 0 lb M14 - 2 lb M15 - 0 lb M16 - 3 lb

HonestOmnivore
on 10/11/17 12:59 pm, edited 10/11/17 7:37 am
RNY on 03/29/17
Topic: RE: What can I do to actually get motivated?

Until I hit 30, I was never a sweater. But then it was like my body just caved and now just thinking about exercise makes me sweat. THAT SAID if I 'm going to make this whole "life style change" thing work, I need to get over my sweaty self :) I generally don't change before or after I exercise at the office, although my exercise is in the form of biking in, and walking during the day. On days I have important meetings I might wear a exercise shirt in, and change into a dress top once I've cooled off. I keep a "Chilly Pad" cooling towel at the office to help drop my body temp back down after I work out. It really works great and I just rinse it out in the bathroom sink every couple of days, and wa**** on weekends. I also keep a micro- towel on hand to dry myself as needed, and I got my hair cut and THINNED so it dries faster after I remove my bike helmet - but otherwise I just pretend that I'm not a sweaty mess!

I'm motivating myself in a few ways...

  1. Workout Buddy- My sister-in-law and I both get up at 6am on Tuesdays and Thursdays and go to swim laps. We don't swim at the same pool, but we both get up and check in with each other at six or shortly thereafter to make sure we're DOING IT.
  2. Green footprint - I'm not all that environmentally friendly, but I do know that as an American, I account for an awful lot of green house gases. I can bike to the office in the same time it takes me to drive in, so I work hard to remind myself that this is an environmentally smart choice to make. The city where I work has bike racks on all the buses - so I keep $2 bus fair on me and if weather or other issues come up I can always bike to the closest bus stop and catch a ride. Now I'm working on figuring out how to do this into the winter months... Same goes for walking to places that are within a 15 or 20 minute walk - I use Googlemaps "walking" or "biking" mapping option to get an estimate of the time it will take me to get places.
  3. Setting Fitness Goals here on OH- I've been setting fitness related goals here on OH and trying to make sure I can check a few off each month! I set a goal to run a mile without stopping by my birthday (8/22) back in April, and breezed right by it in late June :) Then I set a goal to run a 5K without stopping and hit that one too! Now I'm working on running a 10K (distance wise, I haven't actually been in a real race).
  4. Mental Health - [Edited to add words in caps] IN MY OPINION, BASED ON AVAILABLE READING AND STUDIES BOTH OF DEPRESSION AND QUALITY OF LIFE, Regular cardio exercise is a better cure for depression and anxiety than prescription drugs. I can't use this to START my exercise process but OMG it works as a GREAT motivator to keep me on track. Once I feel the results of regular floods of happy endorphins and I use a mood tracker that really shows how much better I feel... I am motivated to go today so that I'll feel this good tomorrow.
  5. Posting my Plan - I have been trying to post my weekly exercise plan just like I post my daily menus, here on OH. I include my exercise in my menu posts, and I include it on MyFitnessPal even allowing the deduction of calories. I don't necessarily EAT the exercise calories, but I like to see the increase I get from exercising as it shows the additional gap between my intake and what is getting burned. Just like I try to make sure I error on the over estimate of food calories, I try to assume only a fraction of the estimated calories are actually burned - but I find this whole process of posting and seeing my available calories increase very motivating.

5'4" 49yrs at surgery date

SW - 206 CW - 128
M1 - 20lb M2 - 9 lb M3 - 7 lb M4 - 7 lb M5 - 7 lb M6 - 6 lb M7 - 4 lb M8 - 1 lb M9 - 2 lb M10 - 4 lb M11 - 0lb M12 - 3lb M13 - 0 lb M14 - 2 lb M15 - 0 lb M16 - 3 lb

Gwen M.
on 10/11/17 9:30 am
VSG on 03/13/14
Topic: RE: Beginner's Running Group -NoVA/DMV

I think it's great that you're doing this. Sadly it's a bit too far away from me!

My area finally got a local chapter of "Girls on the Run" which is SUPER exciting. Of course it happens when I'm in surgery mode so I can't help out as a trainer/coach, and the first scheduled 5k is the weekend after my last surgery :P But I hope it's popular enough to continue so I can help out in the future!

VSG with Dr. Salameh - 3/13/2014
Diagnosed with Binge Eating Disorder and started Vyvanse - 7/22/2016
Reconstructive Surgeries with Dr. Michaels - 6/5/2017 (LBL & brachioplasty), 8/14/2017 (UBL & mastopexy), 11/6/2017 (medial leg lift)

Age 42 Height 5'4" HW 319 (1/3/2014) SW 293 (3/13/2014) CW 149 (7/16/2017)
Next Goal 145 - normal BMI | Total Weight Lost 170

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